Biden's FBI authorized 'use of deadly force when necessary' during Mar-a-Lago raid

[Cow Poke]

REVEALED: Biden's FBI authorized 'use of deadly force when necessary' during Mar-a-Lago raid

"Law enforcement officers of the Department of Justice may use deadly force when necessary..."

It has been revealed through unsealed filings in Donald Trump's classified documents case brought by Jack Smith that the FBI was authorized to use deadly force if needed in its raid of Mar-a-Lago.

The filing, published by journalist Julie Kelly, revealed the procedure if the FBI had encountered dangerous individuals during the raid.

The unsealed document stated, "According to an 'Operations Order' produced in discovery, the FBI believed its objective for the Mar-a-Lago raid was to seize 'classified information, NDI, and US Government records as described in [the] search warrant.' Ex. 3 at USA-01285174. The Order contained a 'Policy Statement' regarding 'Use Of Deadly Force,' which stated, for example, 'Law enforcement officers of the Department of Justice may use deadly force when necessary...'."

It's kinda weird to me that there would need to be such a statement.

[seer]

It's kinda weird to me that there would need to be such a statement.

Did they do the same when the searched Biden's house/offices? Or is this another leftist double standard?

[tabibito]

REVEALED: Biden's FBI authorized 'use of deadly force when necessary' during Mar-a-Lago raid

"Law enforcement officers of the Department of Justice may use deadly force when necessary..."

It has been revealed through unsealed filings in Donald Trump's classified documents case brought by Jack Smith that the FBI was authorized to use deadly force if needed in its raid of Mar-a-Lago.

The filing, published by journalist Julie Kelly, revealed the procedure if the FBI had encountered dangerous individuals during the raid.

The unsealed document stated, "According to an 'Operations Order' produced in discovery, the FBI believed its objective for the Mar-a-Lago raid was to seize 'classified information, NDI, and US Government records as described in [the] search warrant.' Ex. 3 at USA-01285174. The Order contained a 'Policy Statement' regarding 'Use Of Deadly Force,' which stated, for example, 'Law enforcement officers of the Department of Justice may use deadly force when necessary...'."

It's kinda weird to me that there would need to be such a statement.

Seems to me that "deadly force" would be SOP for that kind of raid (whether justified or not). Is there something different about the document, or is "deadly force" simply in the template?

[Cow Poke]

Seems to me that "deadly force" would be SOP for that kind of raid (whether justified or not). Is there something different about the document, or is "deadly force" simply in the template?

That's what's weird - it's almost like they are saying, "now, remember, guys -- you CAN shoot.....". Like maybe they're giving the assurance there won't be repercussions in a "questionable" shooting.

[Starlight]

It's kinda weird to me that there would need to be such a statement.

Dark Brandon wearing his aviators probably told them in his best mob-boss voice to whack-em, personally attached the use of deadly force order to the warrant, and promised pardons for all if it went wrong.

Or it could be just a totally pan-standard document attached on FBI raids.

[Cow Poke]

Dark Brandon wearing his aviators probably told them in his best mob-boss voice to whack-em, personally attached the use of deadly force order to the warrant, and promised pardons for all if it went wrong.

OK, that does it ... NOW I'm MIFFED!!!!

Or it could be just a totally pan-standard document attached on FBI raids.

Yes, Officer Star, I'm sure that's it exactly.

[CivilDiscourse]

REVEALED: Biden's FBI authorized 'use of deadly force when necessary' during Mar-a-Lago raid

"Law enforcement officers of the Department of Justice may use deadly force when necessary..."

It has been revealed through unsealed filings in Donald Trump's classified documents case brought by Jack Smith that the FBI was authorized to use deadly force if needed in its raid of Mar-a-Lago.

The filing, published by journalist Julie Kelly, revealed the procedure if the FBI had encountered dangerous individuals during the raid.

The unsealed document stated, "According to an 'Operations Order' produced in discovery, the FBI believed its objective for the Mar-a-Lago raid was to seize 'classified information, NDI, and US Government records as described in [the] search warrant.' Ex. 3 at USA-01285174. The Order contained a 'Policy Statement' regarding 'Use Of Deadly Force,' which stated, for example, 'Law enforcement officers of the Department of Justice may use deadly force when necessary...'."

It's kinda weird to me that there would need to be such a statement.

Having dealt with classified information in the past, Deadly force is authorized for use in protecting it. (One of the places I worked in was surrounded by 18 year olds with rifles and signs letting people know it was a secure area and use of deadly force is authorized.

I say that just to highlight that authorization of deadly force in/around classified information, is not in and of itself unusual.

The question then becomes whether that statement on in the documents was SOI in raids such as this for classified information, and if it was not, what was the justification for expecting the possibility of use of deadly force.

Though, given the cooperation of Biden contrasted with the uncooperativeness of Trump, I do not think that Biden is the appropriate comparison. I would make the comparison instead to search warrants executed against leakers such as Discord Doofus, or the Transgender Traitor.

[Cow Poke]

Having dealt with classified information in the past, Deadly force is authorized for use in protecting it. (One of the places I worked in was surrounded by 18 year olds with rifles and signs letting people know it was a secure area and use of deadly force is authorized.

I say that just to highlight that authorization of deadly force in/around classified information, is not in and of itself unusual.

Absolutely agreed - and is pretty well known without an additional notice.

The question then becomes whether that statement on in the documents was SOI in raids such as this for classified information, and if it was not, what was the justification for expecting the possibility of use of deadly force.

Reading some more on it, it appears that there was the anticipation that Secret Service would be encountered, along with a former POTUS, and it appears to reassure them "yeah, you can still use deadly force if..."

Though, given the cooperation of Biden contrasted with the uncooperativeness of Trump, I do not think that Biden is the appropriate comparison. I would make the comparison instead to search warrants executed against leakers such as Discord Doofus, or the Transgender Traitor.

I think it's the added element of Presidential Security which may be encountered.

[CivilDiscourse]

Absolutely agreed - and is pretty well known without an additional notice.



Reading some more on it, it appears that there was the anticipation that Secret Service would be encountered, along with a former POTUS, and it appears to reassure them "yeah, you can still use deadly force if..."



I think it's the added element of Presidential Security which may be encountered.

This truly is a mess of his own making. Trump's ego essentially created this whole situation.

[Mountain Man]

That's what's weird - it's almost like they are saying, "now, remember, guys -- you CAN shoot.....". Like maybe they're giving the assurance there won't be repercussions in a "questionable" shooting.

One wonders if they were hoping for an excuse to legally assassinate President Trump.

Remember, too, that Merrick Garland says he personally authorized every aspect of the raid, meaning he signed off on the use of lethal force!

[Cow Poke]

One wonders if they were hoping for an excuse to legally assassinate President Trump.

...and making sure to document up front that it was legal.

Remember, too, that Merrick Garland says he personally authorized every aspect of the raid, meaning he signed off on the use of lethal force!

Which, again, is weird, because it's a given that lethal force may be used if attacked.

[rogue06]

REVEALED: Biden's FBI authorized 'use of deadly force when necessary' during Mar-a-Lago raid

"Law enforcement officers of the Department of Justice may use deadly force when necessary..."

It has been revealed through unsealed filings in Donald Trump's classified documents case brought by Jack Smith that the FBI was authorized to use deadly force if needed in its raid of Mar-a-Lago.

The filing, published by journalist Julie Kelly, revealed the procedure if the FBI had encountered dangerous individuals during the raid.

The unsealed document stated, "According to an 'Operations Order' produced in discovery, the FBI believed its objective for the Mar-a-Lago raid was to seize 'classified information, NDI, and US Government records as described in [the] search warrant.' Ex. 3 at USA-01285174. The Order contained a 'Policy Statement' regarding 'Use Of Deadly Force,' which stated, for example, 'Law enforcement officers of the Department of Justice may use deadly force when necessary...'."

It's kinda weird to me that there would need to be such a statement.

Did they expect that they'd engage in a firefight with his Secret Service detail?

[Cow Poke]

Did they expect that they'd engage in a firefight with his Secret Service detail?

Or maybe hoped? Again, it's just weird.

[Cow Poke]

Did they expect that they'd engage in a firefight with his Secret Service detail?

I GOT IT!!!!! Maybe they thought Trump would grab an automatic weapon from a Secret Service agent and start blasting away like he climbed over the front seat of the BEAST and grabbed the steering wheel....

[CivilDiscourse]

Did they expect that they'd engage in a firefight with his Secret Service detail?

It seems odd to me that this would be a consideration. You would think that the FBI would coordinate the response with the head of the detail to avoid any misunderstandings of that type. It's not like they could hide a raid from on-site secret service, and going in "guns-blazing" would be a poor decision.

Honestly, had he been on premises, the detail would have likely been informed by agent on the ground that they were going to execute the warrant, and to keep trump out of the way. Any agent that tried to help trump hide documents, or provided advanced warning would likely have found themselves charged for obstruction.