Atheists, you are being racist when you mock Christianity

[mossrose]

Now that would be a stupid thing to do, wouldn't it?

What? Christians suing a homosexual baker for not baking them a cake with something that goes against the baker's beliefs piped on the top in chocolate icing?

[JimL]

Would it be fair to say that you disapprove of their beliefs--maybe their lifestyle--but don't hate them?

It would be fair to say that I think their beliefs are false, and that of course, I do not hate them. Already divulged the fact that my entire family are christians.

[JimL]

What? Christians suing a homosexual baker for not baking them a cake with something that goes against the baker's beliefs piped on the top in chocolate icing?

No. It would be ridiculous for a homosexual to refuse to bake the cake asked for by his christian customer. Why should the homosexual baker care, it's not the homosexuals cake, it's the christians cake.

[mossrose]

No. It would be ridiculous for a homosexual to refuse to bake the cake asked for by his christian customer. Why should the homosexual baker care, it's not the homosexuals cake, it's the christians cake.

What about this example?

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/th...iage-cake.-now

Oh, look who's in trouble! The Christian! Not the bakery for refusing!

Or this:

https://www.christianpost.com/news/1...-wrong-131479/

Despite anti-discrimination laws in many states that require Christian bakery owners to bake cakes for same-sex weddings, 13 LGBT and gay-owned bakeries objected to one man's request when he asked if they'd make a pro-traditional marriage cake that would read "gay marriage is wrong." All refused to back the cake and one person even cursed at the Christian man for "hate speech" and said a cake supporting traditional marriage "went against their beliefs."

Blogger Theodore Shoebat, of Shoebat.com, wanted to see if the same level of tolerance that Christian business owners who belive in traditional marriage are required to abide by is also being exemplified at bakeries that advocate for same-sex marriage.

Shoebat set off on a video experiment where he called 13 bakeries, which are all either known as gay-owned bakeries or bakeries that strongly support gay marriage, and told them that he was hosting a pro-traditional marriage celebration and that he needed a cake that says "gay marriage is wrong."

He found that all of the bakeries refused to make him the cake with those words written on top. A few of the bakeries that he called said they'd make him the cake, but he would have to apply the words in icing himself. Other bakers were offended when they heard his request, while some simply said "no" or just hung up the phone.

Hypocritical double standard, and you must have missed these examples or you wouldn't have posted as you did.

[JimL]

What about this example?

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/th...iage-cake.-now



Oh, look who's in trouble! The Christian! Not the bakery for refusing!

Or this:

https://www.christianpost.com/news/1...-wrong-131479/





Hypocritical double standard, and you must have missed these examples or you wouldn't have posted as you did.

It's not hypocritical on my part, I said it would be stupid to refuse to bake the cake that the moron requests, I didn't say that there weren't gay friendly bakery's that would also refuse to do so.

[mossrose]

It's not hypocritical on my part, I said it would be stupid to refuse to bake the cake that the moron requests, I didn't say that there weren't gay friendly bakery's that would also refuse to do so.

Moron? Really? Your bigotry is showing. Hence you are hypocritical.

[Sparko]

No, they weren't forced, they chose to do business with the public in which case they are not allowed to discriminate. If they wanted to they could become a christian bakery wherein they only sell christian themed goods, like christian book stores do, or christian gift shops. But that has never been the case in these suits, they have always just been regular bakeries that happened to be owned by christians.

When you get fined for following your beliefs, that is being forced. Again, it is odd that they only seem to be forcing Christian businesses to comply and not Muslim or Jewish businesses. They are targeting Christianity. Because they are racist bigots.

[Zymologist]

It would be fair to say that I think their beliefs are false, and that of course, I do not hate them. Already divulged the fact that my entire family are christians.

Sounding awfully bigoted here

[Sparko]

It's not hypocritical on my part, I said it would be stupid to refuse to bake the cake that the moron requests, I didn't say that there weren't gay friendly bakery's that would also refuse to do so.

The point is still that it seems OK for the Gay bakery to refuse to put a message on a cake that goes against their beliefs and their beliefs are not even protected by the constitution! Nobody ever tried to fine that bakery did they?

[JimL]

When you get fined for following your beliefs, that is being forced. Again, it is odd that they only seem to be forcing Christian businesses to comply and not Muslim or Jewish businesses. They are targeting Christianity. Because they are racist bigots.

They're not getting fined for following their beliefs, they're getting fined for breaking the law against discrimination. Your beliefs don't take precedent over the law, if they did then you could claim to believe anything you wanted and thereby skirt any law.

[JimL]

The point is still that it seems OK for the Gay bakery to refuse to put a message on a cake that goes against their beliefs and their beliefs are not even protected by the constitution! Nobody ever tried to fine that bakery did they?

Is it OK, did the customer sue for damages? Doubt it!

[Sparko]

They're not getting fined for following their beliefs, they're getting fined for breaking the law against discrimination. Your beliefs don't take precedent over the law, if they did then you could claim to believe anything you wanted and thereby skirt any law.

Gay is not a protected class dimwit. But the constitution DOES protect freedom of religion and expression. You can't force someone to make speech that they don't agree with. And it is not a matter of making stuff up. Their belief that homosexuality is a sin can be backed up by the bible and 2000 years of Christianity. Decorating a cake is artistic expression. You can't force an artist to make art that they don't want to make.

But we are getting side tracked. The point of bringing this up was to show the active discrimination against Christians in this society which you said did not happen. You are wrong. It happens all the time. You do it yourself. Because you are a bigot and you hate Christianity and God and those who believe in God.

[Sparko]

Is it OK, did the customer sue for damages? Doubt it!

Why weren't they fined by the government like the Christian bakery was?

[carpedm9587]

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...roubling-roots

First of all, I think mocking anyone for any reason (other than two friends picking on each other) is not acceptable. So folks who mock Christians OR atheists are not behaving in a manner I would consider mature.

Second of all, nice try. This is the same kind of BS that comes from the left. Their claim is that Republicans are "racist" in trying to push for voter ID (and other voter restrictions) because these predominantly impact black and latino people. As far as I can tell, the goal is to impact Democrats, so gain an edge at the voting booth. Republicans have to take approach like these because they are losing the numbers games (24% identify as Republican to 29% as Democrat). Poor people tend to have more difficulty getting these IDs than more well-to-do people, so the IDs impact Democrats more than Republicans. Why? Because black and latino voters tend to be poorer than white voters and overwhelmingly lean Democratic, so in putting such laws in place impacts they more than white people (on average). The Republican strategy may be unamerican, and may disproportionately impact black and latino people, but it's not intentionally racist (AFAICT).

Likewise, someone who thinks Christianity, or theism in general, may disproportionately be calling into question the beliefs of black and latino people, but are not intentionally being racist.

But this does bring to mind an interesting question. Evangelicals and religious conservatives are overwhelmingly Republicans. Black and Latino people are predominantly religious, but overwhelmingly Democrats. Interesting dynamics, no? One would think they would be natural Republicans, yet they predominantly see the Democratic party as their go-to party? One has to wonder why this is the case...?

[carpedm9587]

I have to admit this does seem like a bit of a "trolling" thread....