Repeal and replace the second amendment with what exactly?

[Starlight]

Funny how the people who most want to get rid of guns have no actual experience with guns.

Funny how all the people in this forum who live in gun-free societies think the US is crazy for having so many guns, and think you guys are complete nutters for wanting to have so many guns.

[Mountain Man]

Most of whom get their knowledge about them from what they've seen in movies and TV shows.

Or liberal propaganda.

[JimL]

Funny how the people who most want to get rid of guns have no actual experience with guns.

Which people would those be? The most people are those sensible people who want sensible gun regulations, not people who want to get rid of guns altogether, and that includes many people who posses guns.

[JimL]

Most of whom get their knowledge about them from what they've seen in movies and TV shows.

Sparko has never owned a gun, stop making fun of him.

[Teallaura]

I feel like the suggestion of repealing the second amendment is actually a bit of a decoy. It's not going to happen anytime soon, and the Second Amendment actually doesn't do anything to prohibit most of the gun control measures people suggest anyway. So instead of trying to go for winnable victories, gun control advocates are wasting time on something they're not going to win and wouldn't actually help them all that much.

Eh, it's his hypothetical - and it's because like a lot of people, he doesn't understand the law.

Frankly, I'm not getting the current law that well, either - but I suppose that's just because I haven't read the relevant cases yet. However, I see little change post-incorporation - that's insanely weird.

You're right, #2 (I'm feeling sarcastic, can you tell?) isn't the playing field at present. I honestly am not sure repealing it would even have an effect right now - there just isn't that strong a drive for abolition and never has been. States could have done abolitions at anytime pre-incorporation but not even NY or California actually did. I really need to read those cases - right now it looks more like the laws are held together with duct tape.

[Teallaura]

Most of whom get their knowledge about them from what they've seen in movies and TV shows.

I got mine from being taught how to shoot by my Dad - and being shot at by idiot hunters (that not being the worst of it). I am very anti-moron with firearm mainly because I've seen up close how much mayhem they can cause.

Since it's easier to outlaw weapons rather than stupidity, I find abolition emotionally appealing. however, I can't justify abolition in terms of fairness - although I will probably never really believe that 'responsible gun owners' exist outside fairy tales or their own homes. But I can recognize my own issue here and try to work around it fairly. Hence I don't support abolition and would not vote for it (I'd really want too - but fairness matters).

This business of making fun of gun legislation ignores the elephant in the room - and only makes more contention.

[Sparko]

Did you say you want a 30 shot revolver? No problemo! roguetech has ya covered



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They said it couldn't be done!

They said we were mad for even trying!

Well, look who's laughing last at the shoe on the other foot now.

I said "six shooter"

[Sparko]

Funny how all the people in this forum who live in gun-free societies think the US is crazy for having so many guns, and think you guys are complete nutters for wanting to have so many guns.

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[Sparko]

Which people would those be? The most people are those sensible people who want sensible gun regulations, not people who want to get rid of guns altogether, and that includes many people who posses guns.

You keep saying that but it isn't true. Just ask Carpedm. Or read the frikkin news.

[rogue06]

Funny how all the people in this forum who live in gun-free societies think the US is crazy for having so many guns, and think you guys are complete nutters for wanting to have so many guns.

And yet none of y'all seems to think that Switzerland is crazy and they keep automatic weapons in their houses.

[Sparko]

Sparko has never owned a gun, stop making fun of him.

I actually don't have one right now. But my first gun was a 410 shotgun I got when I was about 10 years old. Then I had a 12 gauge when I was around 14. Then I had a .44 Magnum chrome revolver (like Dirty Harry used).

[Jedidiah]

Funny how the people who most want to get rid of guns have no actual experience with guns.

Funny how all the people in this forum who live in gun-free societies think the US is crazy for having so many guns, and think you guys are complete nutters for wanting to have so many guns.

Nutters wanting to get rid of guns versus people with actual knowledge and experience with guns.

[Sparko]

Nutters wanting to get rid of guns versus people with actual knowledge and experience with guns.

they seem to think guns are magically evil devices that go around betraying their owners and killing people. It would make a good Stephen King movie, but not a good basis for making law.

[Jedidiah]

What we seem to have here is a case of some ignorant nutters wanting to eliminate guns versus educated and knowledgeable gun owners and supports who oppose them. Pretty clear.

[Teallaura]

You keep saying that but it isn't true. Just ask Carpedm. Or read the frikkin news.

A call for abolition isn't 'most people' - come on, that article doesn't begin to refute Jim's point - nary a stat in sight!

Look around - other than Jed, name a gun control opponent here that actually supports repealing ALL gun control laws? Laws that prohibit the underaged, felons, mentally ill and mentally unstable are almost universally supported - and they are all gun control. Most opponents oppose either unfair regulation, licensing of weapons and/or abolition of individual ownership. Very few actually support the literalist (and wrong) reading of the Second that concludes government has no right at all to legislate gun control measures.

The knee jerk 'gun control evil' idea is just stupid. People like me - and I assume Jim - who support gun control but not abolition or unduly unfair restrictions get attacked as if we were supporting immediate abolition - turning potential allies into enemies is not a good plan.