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[guacamole]

Revolvers are not.

Correct. Also some shotguns and rifles. I'm more for letting people keep their long guns--semi or not--because hand guns are demonstrably more problematic. At any rate, that's another possible classification.

The case was made elsewhere on Tweb that, for all practical purposes, you can 'rapid fire' most any gun, so.... But, technically, a semi-auto is one where you can fire as many rounds as quickly as you can pull the trigger and ammunition is available to the weapon.

Yes.

If people on both sides aren't unhappy, it's not compromise*.

Correct. I think it would make most people happy if there were no guns available, but I can compromise and allow for gun owners to keep some guns.

*a slight exaggeration, perhaps, but hopefully you get the point.

It is a hollow point, but point nonetheless.

[guacamole]

What I mean by upset is an understatement. It would go like this.

Government- Sir your ruger mini 14 is now illegal.
Person- Are your armed guards illegal?
Government- Sir give us the gun.
Person- See that have an flag? Get out of here you tyrannical pinko.

I imagine most gun-owners morals would prevent them from killing someone in this way.

[Darth Executor]

Revolvers are not. The case was made elsewhere on Tweb that, for all practical purposes, you can 'rapid fire' most any gun, so.... But, technically, a semi-auto is one where you can fire as many rounds as quickly as you can pull the trigger and ammunition is available to the weapon.

Which is why revolvers that automatically cock the hammer (which i assume is most of them these days) ARE semi-automatic.

[Littlejoe]

Revolvers are not. The case was made elsewhere on Tweb that, for all practical purposes, you can 'rapid fire' most any gun, so.... But, technically, a semi-auto is one where you can fire as many rounds as quickly as you can pull the trigger and ammunition is available to the weapon.



If people on both sides aren't unhappy, it's not compromise*.




*a slight exaggeration, perhaps, but hopefully you get the point.

Maybe technically...but a double action revolver will fire as fast was you can pull the trigger so...

In fact, my carry gun, a Bersa Firestorm .380 is double action on the first shot.

[Sparko]

Correct. Also some shotguns and rifles. I'm more for letting people keep their long guns--semi or not--because hand guns are demonstrably more problematic. At any rate, that's another possible classification.



Yes.



Correct. I think it would make most people happy if there were no guns available, but I can compromise and allow for gun owners to keep some guns.




It is a hollow point, but point nonetheless.

Great so now instead of the constitution, we have Guacamole to decide on what is legal or not. Thank you oh great wizard of guns.

Legally, you can't actually ban people from owning anything. That would be infringing on their right to bear arms.

You can pretend and wish all you want.

[guacamole]

Great so now instead of the constitution, we have Guacamole to decide on what is legal or not. Thank you oh great wizard of guns.

You're welcome.

Legally, you can't actually ban people from owning anything.

Wat? We ban people from owning things all the time. Including certain classes of firearms.

That would be infringing on their right to bear arms.

You can pretend and wish all you want.

[Adrift]

No, we haven't seen that the numbers are inaccurate. Your numbers were only dead not both. That's simply a bait and switch on your part...And I'm not a bit surprised you basically hand wave away my points. Thanks for the discussion. Have a good one.

I don't know what part of what I posted you think is a bait and switch. I was explicit about where my numbers came from. Nor did I hand wave your points away. I directly replied to them.

If you want to really crunch the numbers, here you go:

Killed/Injured by mass shootings in the US during Obama's administration

2009
Pinelake shooting, March 29:

8/3

Immigration services shooting, April 3:

14/4

Fort Hood shooting, Nov. 5:

13/30

Pierce County coffee shop shooting, Nov. 29:

4/1

2010
Hot Spot Cafe shooting, April 3:

4/2

Yoyito Cafe shooting, June 6:

5/3

Hartford Beer Distribution shooting, Aug. 3:

9/2

City Grill shooting, Aug. 14:

4/4

2011
Safeway Parking Lot shooting, Jan. 8:

6/13

Forum Roller World shooting, July 23:

6/4

IHOP shooting, Sept. 6:

5/7

Salon Meritage shooting, Oct. 12:

8/1

2012
Su Jung Health Sauna shooting, Feb. 1:

5/0

Oikos University shooting, April 2:

7/3

Cafe Racer shooting, May 20:

6/1

Aurora movie theater shooting, July 20:

12/58

Sikh temple shooting, Aug. 5:

7/3

Accent Signage Systems shooting, Sept. 27:

7/1

Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, Dec. 14:

28/2

2013
Mohawk Valley shooting, March 13:

5/2

Pinewood Village Apartments shooting, April 21:

5/0

Santa Monica College shooting, June 7:

6/3

Todel Apartments shooting, July 26:

7/0

Navy Yard shooting, Sept. 16:

13/8

2014
Cedarville Rancheria Tribal Office shooting, Feb. 20:

4/2

Santa Barbara County shooting, May 23:

7/13

Marysville-Pilchuck High School shooting, Oct. 24:

5/1

2015
Emanuel African Episcopal Church shooting, June 17:

9/1

Recruiting and Naval Reserves shooting, July 16:

6/1

Umpqua Community College shooting, Oct. 1:

10/7

Tennessee Colony campsite shooting: Nov. 15:

6/0

Inland Regional Center shooting, Dec. 2:

16/21

2016
Cracker Barrel shooting, Feb. 20:

6/2

Pulse Nightclub shooting, June 12:

50/53

Police protest march shooting, July 7:

6/9

Cascade's Mall Macy's shooting, Sept. 23:

5/0

2017
Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International airport shooting, Jan. 6:

5/6

Total = 329 Killed / 271 injured

Incident/numbers pulled from here.

If you want to combine those numbers you'll get an even 600 compared to the numbers you gave for France's combined total which was 540. France's combined numbers, of course, don't take into consideration that the vast majority of those numbers comes from 1 attack that had both shooters and suicide bombers.

[Sparko]

You're welcome.



Wat? We ban people from owning things all the time. Including certain classes of firearms.

Well actually no. You can own a fully automatic weapon, you just have to get a license. And it is certain classes of people that are banned from owning guns not the general public. Like felons and insane people.

[Mountain Man]

Which is why revolvers that automatically cock the hammer (which i assume is most of them these days) ARE semi-automatic.

Yes, a revolver can fire as fast as its trigger is pulled. The primary limitation of a revolver is ammo capacity.

[Cow Poke]

I think it would make most people happy if there were no guns available, but I can compromise and allow for gun owners to keep some guns.

So, you think most people would want our soldiers to go to war with knives and slingshots, our police officers to patrol with wooden batons....?

You do have a flare for the overstatement.

I don't think you can even justify "most people" wanting no guns available to the general public. Got a cite for that?

[Cow Poke]

Which is why revolvers that automatically cock the hammer (which i assume is most of them these days) ARE semi-automatic.

Technically, no....

Webster
: not fully automatic: such as
a : operated partly automatically and partly by hand
b of a firearm : able to fire repeatedly through an automatic reloading process but requiring release and another pressure of the trigger for each successive shot

Practically, in the case of a double action revolver, yes....

And, yes, the real limit is the number or rounds ready for firing. Typically 5 for large caliber ammo, 6 for most others, and 9 for .22.

[guacamole]

Well actually no. You can own a fully automatic weapon, you just have to get a license. And it is certain classes of people that are banned from owning guns not the general public. Like felons and insane people.

Split hairs much? So... some people... are banned... from possessing some firearms.

I don't know why you think this is controversial.

[Zymologist]

Which is why revolvers that automatically cock the hammer (which i assume is most of them these days) ARE semi-automatic.

My Ruger super blackhawk .44 is only a single-action, but it's still freaking cool.

[Mountain Man]

I think it would make most people happy if there were no guns available...

Of course you think that, because that's what your ideology demands you think. I'm curious if you can support this assertion with more than navel gazing.

[KingsGambit]

So, you think most people would want our soldiers to go to war with knives and slingshots, our police officers to patrol with wooden batons....?

That sounds like something from a Monty Python sketch.