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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostThe argument of the gun grabbers is it might work so let's do it.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Postpoliticians do
I wasn't there, and neither were you.
I'm having trouble figuring out any other legit point he could have been arrested. I'm not trying to debate a point here.
yay
Here's Florida's zero tolerance policy, for example (I know that, probably, no one will read it):
http://www.fldoe.org/schools/safe-he...ce-policy.stml
Some useful quotes:
(3) Zero-tolerance policies must require students found to have committed one of the following offenses to be expelled, with or without continuing educational services, from the student's regular school for a period of not less than 1 full year, and to be referred to the criminal justice or juvenile justice system.
(a) Bringing a firearm or weapon, as defined in chapter 790, to school, to any school function, or onto any school-sponsored transportation or possessing a firearm at school.
(b) Making a threat or false report, as defined by ss. 790.162 and 790.163, respectively, involving school or school personnel's property, school transportation, or a school-sponsored activity.
District school boards may assign the student to a disciplinary program for the purpose of continuing educational services during the period of expulsion. District school superintendents may consider the 1-year expulsion requirement on a case-by-case basis and request the district school board to modify the requirement by assigning the student to a disciplinary program or second chance school if the request for modification is in writing and it is determined to be in the best interest of the student and the school system. If a student committing any of the offenses in this subsection is a student who has a disability, the district school board shall comply with applicable State Board of Education rules.
Emphasis mine for the relevant text.
And there is another hedging of the rule for restraint later:
(8) School districts are encouraged to use alternatives to expulsion or referral to law enforcement agencies unless the use of such alternatives will pose a threat to school safety.
So no, it isn't just liberal rules.
No, that's not the argument. The argument is that it's a 2nd Amendment Right.
No, it's time to look at the actual factors involved, and stop using it as a "gun grabber" excuse.
You really should avoid those dumb general statements, as, particularly in this case, you were apparently stunningly wrong.
Or, if people don't get it:
Wow. That was an incredible sacrifice. Maybe we shouldn't be so quick to pigeon hole people based on perceptions and move away from the liberal/evil ~ conservative/saintly dichotomy.
fwiw,
guacamole"Down in the lowlands, where the water is deep,
Hear my cry, hear my shout,
Save me, save me"
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Originally posted by guacamole View PostWow. That was an incredible sacrifice. Maybe we shouldn't be so quick to pigeon hole people based on perceptions and move away from the liberal/evil ~ conservative/saintly dichotomy.
fwiw,
guacamoleThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI assumed he was a conservative, for a number of reasons. It appears I was correct, and I wasn't "quick" coming to that conclusion."Down in the lowlands, where the water is deep,
Hear my cry, hear my shout,
Save me, save me"
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Originally posted by guacamole View PostI didn't say that you were.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThe obvious answer there is that you shouldn't make the defense of an entire school depend on a single person.Last edited by RumTumTugger; 02-23-2018, 05:50 PM.
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One guy could be blamed on cowardice or fear, but four officers failing to take action makes me think something else is going on, such as a strange department policy that puts the lives of the police ahead of citizens, or officers unwilling to be castigated for shooting a "kid".Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostOne guy could be blamed on cowardice or fear, but four officers failing to take action makes me think something else is going on, such as a strange department policy that puts the lives of the police ahead of citizens, or officers unwilling to be castigated for shooting a "kid".
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostDespite all the evidence showing that disarming law-abiding citizens is one of the worst ideas imaginable."Obama is not a brown-skinned, anti-war socialist who gives away free healthcare. You are thinking of Jesus." Episcopal Bishop of Arizona
I remember WinAce. Gone but not forgotten.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostSo basically you want to blame the guns even when it is blatently obvious that the entire tragedy could have been prevented at many points along the timeline, from the school failing to report him to authorities, to the mental health professionals who were treating him, to the FBI who was warned about him, to the deputy who just stood there outside while he mowed down students?
You are such a tool. Liberal puppet.
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostNothing will be 100% effective. Gun grabbers are willing to reduce shooting deaths by taking guns, but one failure of one armed guard and you want to throw out the whole idea.Last edited by Psychic Missile; 02-24-2018, 10:21 PM.
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