Florida School Shooting

[guacamole]

But liberals will "never let a good crisis go to waste".

And conservatives do?

Police enforce laws, they do not make policy.

In this case it seems like the officers decided to go with the parents of the child who was threatened. I'm not sure this is about policy. Couldn't the officers simply say, "Nah, we're taking this clown in." What other point was there to have him arrested other than this?

I seriously doubt you'll find any conservative who agrees to let criminal behavior continue just to "keep a kid in school", especially when it's clear that kid is a major source of trouble for others.

You'd be mistaken. I work in a school with both liberals and conservatives who set policy.

There are few guarantees in life - we don't "not do something" because there's no guarantee it will work. At least, I don't.

But that's the argument of conservatives, in a nut shell--don't outlaw guns because there's no guarantee it will work.

Or, just keep it a gunfree zone which equates all too often to a "killing field". Yeah, that's a lot better!

Or when massacres happen anyway, we can just keep moving the goal posts, right?

How do you know what that teacher's political leanings are? That's a bit drama-queenish of you. After all, he was interested in becoming a police officer.

It was reflective of comments on this thread and in the general population that teacher=liberal.

fwiw,
guacamole

[Mountain Man]

Nothing will be 100% effective. Gun grabbers are willing to reduce shooting deaths by taking guns, but one failure of one armed guard and you want to throw out the whole idea.

The obvious answer there is that you shouldn't make the defense of an entire school depend on a single person.

[rogue06]

The actual job of the police is not to prevent every crime. There job is to mop up afterwards.

That actually was emphasized in a Supreme Court ruling several years ago in Warren v. District of Columbia where they declared that the police aren't there to provide protection

[Mountain Man]

Here would be an interesting question to ask teachers:

If a shooter entered your school, and you had access to a gun, would you use it to stop the shooter?

I wonder how many would answer yes?

[Mountain Man]

That actually was emphasized in a Supreme Court ruling several years ago in Warren v. District of Columbia where they declared that the police aren't there to provide protection

And how many police departments have the motto "To Serve and Protect"?

[Cow Poke]

And conservatives do?

politicians do

In this case it seems like the officers decided to go with the parents of the child who was threatened. I'm not sure this is about policy. Couldn't the officers simply say, "Nah, we're taking this clown in." What other point was there to have him arrested other than this?

I wasn't there, and neither were you.

You'd be mistaken. I work in a school with both liberals and conservatives who set policy.

yay

But that's the argument of conservatives, in a nut shell--don't outlaw guns because there's no guarantee it will work.

No, that's not the argument. The argument is that it's a 2nd Amendment Right.

Or when massacres happen anyway, we can just keep moving the goal posts, right?

No, it's time to look at the actual factors involved, and stop using it as a "gun grabber" excuse.

It was reflective of comments on this thread and in the general population that teacher=liberal.

fwiw,
guacamole

You really should avoid those dumb general statements, as, particularly in this case, you were apparently stunningly wrong.

[Cow Poke]

Here would be an interesting question to ask teachers:

If a shooter entered your school, and you had access to a gun, would you use it to stop the shooter?

I wonder how many would answer yes?

It would have to be anonymous - kinda like those polls where people don't feel comfortable being honest because of the stigma....

[Cow Poke]

And how many police departments have the motto "To Serve and Protect"?

It's usually "To Protect and to Serve", but, yeah....

[Adrift]

The M14 was problematic, being wildly inaccurate.

The difference between an M16 and an AR-15, of course, is that...

The M16 has "selective fire" - it can be set to fire 'single shot' (semi-automatic) or fully automatic or "3 round bursts".
The AR-15 can only fire single shot (semi-automatic) as fast as you can pull the trigger.

(not assuming Adrift doesn't know this, but others seem to be really ignorant of this)

The "selective fire", or fully automatic mode, is what makes it an "assault rifle".

(yeah, I know - some of us disagree on the term "assault rifle" as opposed to "assault weapon")

Yep. Being assigned to the Wolf Pack squad at Ramstein Air Base, whose primary purpose was to be drilled for operation readiness inspections sort of hammered into my brain the design and history of the M16 (and a number of other weapons whose mechanical operation I was expected to know at the drop of a hat). My point was simply that the M16 was adapted from the AR-15 by the military because the AR-15 proved to be a much better weapon than the M14. I'm assuming the guy in the video mistook the M16 with the M14, but who knows.

[Jedidiah]

But that's the argument of conservatives, in a nut shell--don't outlaw guns because there's no guarantee it will work.

The argument of the gun grabbers is it might work so let's do it.

[seer]

The M14 was problematic, being wildly inaccurate.

What? I qualified with both the M14 and 16, the M14 is superior in accuracy.

The SEALS still use the M14

https://navyseals.com/weapons-demo/m14/

[rogue06]

And how many police departments have the motto "To Serve and Protect"?

The overwhelming majority will protect. But that isn't their job.

[Cow Poke]

The overwhelming majority will protect. But that isn't their job.

Meh... it isn't 'legally' their job, but most see it as their responsibility, I'd think.

[Cow Poke]

What? I qualified with both the M14 and 16, the M14 is superior in accuracy.

The SEALS still use the M14

https://navyseals.com/weapons-demo/m14/

In Vietnam, it was thought, in fully automatic mode, to be inaccurate, which is why they changed it to single fire - where it was very accurate. This is the very reason the AR-10, and subsequent M16 was developed.

[seer]

In Vietnam, it was thought, in fully automatic mode, to be inaccurate, which is why they changed it to single fire - where it was very accurate. This is the very reason the AR-10, and subsequent M16 was developed.

Every Marine I knew who used both the 14 and 16, and in combat, prefered the 14. The 14's problem was that it was heavy and the rounds were larger so you couldn't carry as many. I never had a problem with accuracy in full auto, any more than any other auto...