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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostStrange, the Forbes article I posted earlier appears to be offline. At any rate, that article mentioned how Steele leaked information to the press, and then the FBI deceptively presented that leaked information to the court as independent corroboration of the memo. At no point did the FBI admit that the information was unverified, and that they were banking entirely on Steele's reputation. In that case, Steele's extreme bias against Trump would seem to be extremely relevant. But again, isn't that for the judge to decide? What business did the FBI have concealing anything from the court?Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostSteele's bias is not legally relevant. The lack of verification is also not legally relevant. If a woman going through a divorce alleges that her soon-to-be ex did x heinous act, that's grounds for a warrant.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostOK... but what if the wife had paid a third party to fabricate salacious allegations against her husband, and then law enforcement intentionally misrepresented those allegations as independent and credible? Would that have any legal relevance?The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostOK... but what if the wife had paid a third party to fabricate salacious allegations against her husband, and then law enforcement intentionally misrepresented those allegations as independent and credible? Would that have any legal relevance?
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostThe FBI's investigation into Carter Page, as well as the invetigation into the Trump campaign, began long before they had access to the Steele dossier. As a matter of fact the Steele dossier corroborated intel that the FBI already had. And you have been running around ranting about how the FISA Judges weren't informed as to the source of the dossier and who funded it. Do you know what we call that nowadays MM? We call it fake news.
Do you really think if the FBI had made a full and honest disclosure of the facts that any judge would have approved the application?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostThe problem with this is that the Steele dossier has not been completely verified - but it has elements that have been verified. Nothing in the memo indicates which parts of the memo were used in the FISA warrant, so it is an assumption that the unverified elements were used - and it would be an assumption if I assumed the verified elements were used. This is part of the "cherry picking" noted earlier.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostWhat parts of the dossier have been verified? As far as I know, the only things verified are some random names and a couple of innocuous meetings between Russian persons but absolutely nothing related to Trump or his campaign. The fact that the FBI had apparently been investigating Carter Page for a period of time but had nothing from that investigation sufficient to secure a warrant is significant. It wasn't until the FBI had Steele's made-to-order dossier, and with much deception and concealing of facts that they were finally able to convince a court to agree.
Of course, it's Newsweek reporting, so I expect we'll get a laughing/rolling face about their credibility. Most assessment sites rate them as left of center with high credibility. Take that for what you consider it to be worth. There are other reports from other sources that align with this one fairly well, so I take its credibility to be fairly high.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostHere is one article summarizing the verified elements: http://www.newsweek.com/trump-russia...we-know-777116Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostSo pretty much nothing at all.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Is there anything in the Steele dossier that has been proven false at this point?"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Dimbulb View PostIs there anything in the Steele dossier that has been proven false at this point?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIt seems the concept of "innocent until proven guilty" is lost on you.
So currently the dossier contains a number of claims that have been subsequently proven true by evidence in the public domain, no claims that have been subsequently proven false by evidence in the public domain, and a number of claims which have to this point been neither proven nor disproven by evidence that has been made publicly available thus far?
So the publicly revealed evidence about the level of accuracy of the dossier would then be consistent with a view that the dossier is mostly or generally accurate and that Steele is indeed a competent and knowledgeable ex-MI6 Russia-expert as he has been represented to be?"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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the dossier contains a lot of claims that have been proven true like "Moscow is a Russian city". The validity of claims like "Trump hired prostitutes to urinate in Obama's bed" remains a mystery to retarded liberals otoh."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post"Moscow is a Russian city"
"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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