DACA and Dreamers

[carpedm9587]

Wow - I have to admit I was not expecting Trump to put a path to staying in the U.S. for 1.8 milliion dreamers on the table. I haven't dug into this, but I have to wonder how the right feels about this. It's more than twice the size of the original DACA pool. He originally said no citizenship and no amnesty (how do you give amnesty to people who didn't do anything wrong?), and now is saying citizenship is possible.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...illegally.html

At first glance, my impression is, a) likely to appease moderates and the left to some degree; likely to tick off parts of his base. But it's in trade for the Wall, so maybe mitigate both?

[Darth Executor]

if all he's getting is the wall it's a ripoff

[carpedm9587]

if all he's getting is the wall it's a ripoff

Apparently also ending "chain immigration" and the so-called "visa lottery."

[Darth Executor]

Apparently also ending "chain immigration" and the so-called "visa lottery."

the most important is something like e-verify and serious punishments for companies who hire illegal immigrants. otherwise it won't stop. but corporate greed is why neither side really wants to end it in the first place so...

[Cow Poke]

Wow - I have to admit I was not expecting Trump to put a path to staying in the U.S. for 1.8 milliion dreamers on the table. I haven't dug into this, but I have to wonder how the right feels about this. It's more than twice the size of the original DACA pool. He originally said no citizenship and no amnesty (how do you give amnesty to people who didn't do anything wrong?), and now is saying citizenship is possible.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...illegally.html

At first glance, my impression is, a) likely to appease moderates and the left to some degree; likely to tick off parts of his base. But it's in trade for the Wall, so maybe mitigate both?

I don't think we'll know until we know.

[JimL]

Wow - I have to admit I was not expecting Trump to put a path to staying in the U.S. for 1.8 milliion dreamers on the table. I haven't dug into this, but I have to wonder how the right feels about this. It's more than twice the size of the original DACA pool. He originally said no citizenship and no amnesty (how do you give amnesty to people who didn't do anything wrong?), and now is saying citizenship is possible.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...illegally.html

At first glance, my impression is, a) likely to appease moderates and the left to some degree; likely to tick off parts of his base. But it's in trade for the Wall, so maybe mitigate both?

It may be that he is talking out of turn once again and needs to be reigned back in. Last week he was going to sign whatever Congress brought to him concerning DACA, until he wasn't. Today he said he would speak to Mueller under oath, that he couldn't wait, then his atty Mr Dowd came out and said to ignore that, that he, not Trump, will decide if Trump speaks to Mueller. Trump has flat out lied, what is it, about 3000 times and counting since his election. Don't take anything that he says seriously!

[Mountain Man]

It's all part of the negotiation process. Nothing is set in stone until the deal is done.

[JimL]

if all he's getting is the wall it's a ripoff

Hey, if he gets the $25 billion he wants for his wall, guess who's paying for it? I'll give you a hint. It ain't Mexico!

[Mountain Man]

Today he said he would speak to Mueller under oath, that he couldn't wait, then his atty Mr Dowd came out and said to ignore that, that he, not Trump, will decide if Trump speaks to Mueller. Trump has flat out lied...

Fake news, Jimmy. Trump didn't waffle. He said from the beginning that he was willing but that it was ultimately up to his attorneys.

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(NPR) In an impromptu meeting with reporters, Trump said he is "looking forward" to talking with Mueller. "I would love to do it," he said, going on to say he "would do it under oath." Trump added he would take his lawyers' advice.

https://www.npr.org/2018/01/24/58050...ler-under-oath

[JimL]

Fake news, Jimmy. Trump didn't waffle. He said from the beginning that he was willing but that it was ultimately up to his attorneys.

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(NPR) In an impromptu meeting with reporters, Trump said he is "looking forward" to talking with Mueller. "I would love to do it," he said, going on to say he "would do it under oath." Trump added he would take his lawyers' advice.

https://www.npr.org/2018/01/24/58050...ler-under-oath

Yes, I know, I heard him contradict himself as he was running out the door. Point is, don't take anything the con man says seriously, he's a con man and will lie about anything to anyone at anytime if he thinks it serves his purpose at that time.

[Mountain Man]

Wow - I have to admit I was not expecting Trump to put a path to staying in the U.S. for 1.8 milliion dreamers on the table. I haven't dug into this, but I have to wonder how the right feels about this. It's more than twice the size of the original DACA pool. He originally said no citizenship and no amnesty (how do you give amnesty to people who didn't do anything wrong?), and now is saying citizenship is possible.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...illegally.html

At first glance, my impression is, a) likely to appease moderates and the left to some degree; likely to tick off parts of his base. But it's in trade for the Wall, so maybe mitigate both?

It's not straight-up amnesty. According to one trustworthy news source ():

"The path to citizenship would require a 10-12 year period where recipients would be required to demonstrate good behavior, work and education requirements, and good moral character."
http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...-visa-lottery/

So it sounds like any "dreamer" who wants to become a citizen will have to work their butts off for a decade to earn it.

[Mountain Man]

Yes, I know, I heard him contradict himself as he was running out the door. Point is, don't take anything the con man says seriously, he's a con man and will lie about anything to anyone at anytime if he thinks it serves his purpose at that time.

How is saying "I'm willing to do it subject to approval from my lawyers" a contradiction?

[Darth Executor]

It's not straight-up amnesty. According to one trustworthy news source ():

"The path to citizenship would require a 10-12 year period where recipients would be required to demonstrate good behavior, work and education requirements, and good moral character."
http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...-visa-lottery/

So it sounds like any "dreamer" who wants to become a citizen will have to work their butts off for a decade to earn it.

nothing in there about actually supporting american principles like free speech (very important since most immigrants don't)

[rogue06]

It's not straight-up amnesty. According to one trustworthy news source ():

"The path to citizenship would require a 10-12 year period where recipients would be required to demonstrate good behavior, work and education requirements, and good moral character."
http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...-visa-lottery/

So it sounds like any "dreamer" who wants to become a citizen will have to work their butts off for a decade to earn it.

Prediction: If the bolded part is agreed to and passed you'll see several jurisdictions refuse to prosecute "dreamers" charged with anything less than Class A felonies since that would subject them to deportation if convicted. They will in effect be above most laws and might as well change their last name to Clinton.

[Teallaura]

Wow - I have to admit I was not expecting Trump to put a path to staying in the U.S. for 1.8 milliion dreamers on the table. I haven't dug into this, but I have to wonder how the right feels about this. It's more than twice the size of the original DACA pool. He originally said no citizenship and no amnesty (how do you give amnesty to people who didn't do anything wrong?), and now is saying citizenship is possible.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...illegally.html

At first glance, my impression is, a) likely to appease moderates and the left to some degree; likely to tick off parts of his base. But it's in trade for the Wall, so maybe mitigate both?

FYI: coming into the country as a minor at the volition of others is not the crime - stay8ing once they were of age to act under their own volition is. Amnesty is for remaining illegally.

Most people feel sorry for them and are willing to work out something. But they aren't willing to make it an immigration loophole where parents are encouraged to bring their minor children in hopes that they will become citizens at majority and be able to sponsor other family members. Most of the push back came from the way the Dems used their power in office. Which was dumb - they keep thinking of themselves as the permanent majority party and those days are over.