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The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Zymologist View PostIf Hitler can polarize both sides like that, then clearly he was a centrist.
JKThe ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
Last edited by shunyadragon; 01-25-2018, 05:07 PM.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostThis is one reason I prefer to use a 2d-political chart like the kind PoliticalCompass.org uses:
Hitler and Stalin differed in their economic policies, but not in the dictatorial and authoritarian nature of their rule.
Loosely speaking most modern politics tends to occur roughly along the diagonal from bottom left to top right of that chart, and so what we think of as the "left" today is the bottom left quadrant while the "right" is the top right quadrant. Relatively little modern politics occurs in either the top left (dictatorial communism) or the bottom right (ideological libertarianism). The chart is helpful to think about in terms of concentration of power - is power to make decisions concentrated in the hands of a few (right-wing) or distributed among many or all people (left-wing)? The horizontal axis is economic power, the vertical axis is political and social power.
Also, a chart is only as good as the data plugged into it - and it's really hard to define political bent with survey data - historical data is easy to skew inadvertently."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post. . . and then what happened when he grew up? Hitler. On the superficial and not meaningful, and this could be one of billion of people from different political perspectives when they mature. It is common for the young to switch.
But the one common factor is that we have all sides trying to find the "other side" as the culprit, the one to blame for Naziism. But Naziism was a unique blend of ideologies.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostThis is one reason I prefer to use a 2d-political chart like the kind PoliticalCompass.org uses:
Hitler and Stalin differed in their economic policies, but not in the dictatorial and authoritarian nature of their rule.
Loosely speaking most modern politics tends to occur roughly along the diagonal from bottom left to top right of that chart, and so what we think of as the "left" today is the bottom left quadrant while the "right" is the top right quadrant. Relatively little modern politics occurs in either the top left (dictatorial communism) or the bottom right (ideological libertarianism). The chart is helpful to think about in terms of concentration of power - is power to make decisions concentrated in the hands of a few (right-wing) or distributed among many or all people (left-wing)? The horizontal axis is economic power, the vertical axis is political and social power.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostIronically, it's the progressives (here, at any rate) who favor more and more power concentrated in the federal government, who favor totalitarian ideas like "hate speech" codes and forcing not simply tolerance, but celebration of ideas others find morally repugnant. They celebrated Obama ruling with his pen and a phone. Antifa, again ironically, uses the same methods fascism did before it came to power.
Your post is just a bit skewed, IMO.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Postenacted things by pen he could not get through Congress - Trump has done the same thing, and to a greater degree. There have been more EOs under Trump than there were under Obama for a like period, and they have dealt with many of the same issues. But the right is mum about those.
Both Antifa and the White Supremacist/Neo Nazi movements use fascist strategies.
Your post is just a bit skewed, IMO."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostI agree the 2d is a better methodology, but not sure I'd accept that one for this debate.
Also, a chart is only as good as the data plugged into it - and it's really hard to define political bent with survey data - historical data is easy to skew inadvertently.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI've found that most attempts to distill complex political opinions down to a single point on a graph to be largely worthless. I took one political quiz that pegged me as just slightly right of center, and slightly libertarian. I found this result amusing.
Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostYou just made me snort coffee up my nose...
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostNot true, most white supremacists are pretty peaceful and only fight when attacked. And they don't have institutional support while Antifas are routinely covered by Democrats.
And the completel list of Trumps EOs can be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...y_Donald_TrumpLast edited by carpedm9587; 01-28-2018, 01:40 PM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI find this a little ironic. I find that each side favors power concentrated in the federal government, as long as it is power related to things they find important. The right wants the federal government to enact/enforce laws that reflect their moral codes (e.g. abortion, gay rights), the left want the government to enact/enforce laws that reflect theirs (protections against abuse, protection of the environment, etc.).
Obama enacted things by pen he could not get through Congress - Trump has done the same thing, and to a greater degree. There have been more EOs under Trump than there were under Obama for a like period, and they have dealt with many of the same issues. But the right is mum about those.
Both Antifa and the White Supremacist/Neo Nazi movements use fascist strategies.
Your post is just a bit skewed, IMO.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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The World's Smallest Political Quiz seems designed to trick people who know little about politics into thinking they're libertarians, even though they expressly deny this claim on their website. One of the questions asks about whether we should shrink government by 50%, and people who don't know better are going to think "oh, sure, that sounds good" without realizing what this would actually entail. Nobody should be able to make this proposal without actually outlining what they would cut."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostI agree that the Republican party is also guilty of this to some extent - hence the growth of the Libertarian Party.
What do you consider "like period"? There's been a change in the party in power; it's rather more likely than not the initial period is going to have a greater amount of change, as the new authority rolls back what it can of the previous regime.
Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostYou're not going to find me defending white supremacists or Neo Nazis. It is sort of expected that they'd use such. Nice attempt at deflection, tho.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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