Trump's Fake News concerning London US Embassy

[Leonhard]

London has a Muslim mayor who is quietly attempting to implement Sharia law throughout the city ... how about actually attempting to refute the facts, if you can

I'm not sure there are any facts here at all, except that he had called moderate muslim groups "Uncle Toms" and was made to apologize for it. So if you want any of us to refute the facts, you need to state what they are.

The article in no way describes the establishing of sharia law in the UK, which is a thing that simple isn't happening outside of whatever informal courts might exist. Orthodox Jews have courts like that as well, but they're not binding outside of those groups. Courts like that exist in New York for the Orthodox Jewish communities, and I presume there's muslims groups having a session to settle cases internally.

The Catholic Church has its own type of court which is used to evaluate divorce cases, or blaspheme charges, or appeals of excommunications etc...

[Leonhard]

So liberals like to claim, but there is ample evidence that they are very real. (links provided)

If defined as areas where police, fire services and ambulances won't go to and where a state of lawlessness exists. Then such areas simple don't exist. Period. Not in France, not in Britain, not in Sweden.

These articles have to further clarify what is meant by a "no-go zone" to be areas where police have been attacked by gangs on a systematically higher level. Rocks thrown at ambulances etc... and where there's predominantly an immigrant population of mainly muslims.

The zones describes are basically just bad neighborhoods, of which the US has plenty of. That's the kernel of truth to the story. And I'll definitely grant some animosity between the ethnic population and the rest of the country. However the idea that the sharia courts run by imams there trump any rule of law, that police can't patrol the places, that rescue workers or ambulances can't get there, is very much a myth.

Its a myth that's popular though, and even Fox News have had to openly apologise for claiming that the entire city of Birmingham was a no-go zone. Mind you that was Fox News terrorism expert claiming this. Which came as quite a shock to UK Prime Minister Cameron who lived there.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-30773297

https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...mments/384656/

https://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/nogozones.asp

[Mountain Man]

If defined as areas where police, fire services and ambulances won't go to and where a state of lawlessness exists. Then such areas simple don't exist. Period. Not in France, not in Britain, not in Sweden.

There is ample evidence that they do exist.

Source: The Local

https://www.thelocal.fr/20161010/are...police-say-yes

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Source: National Review

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...ed-no-go-zones

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And this isn't a recent development. Here's an AP story from 2005:

Source: The Associated Press

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/...is-gangs_x.htm

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A similar report from The New York Times reported "no go zones" as a matter of fact in Europe:

Source: The New York Times

(2005) Branded by France's police intelligence agency as one of the country's 150 "no go zones," where police officers should enter only with major reinforcements, La Courneuve was caught up in the violence in which rioters torched cars, trashed businesses and ambushed the police.

It is here that a policeman was seriously injured and hospitalized one night in November when a metal ball was dropped on his head. It is also here that the police beat a young man who hurled insults at them, a moment of frustration and panic that was captured by a television crew and prompted the suspension of several officers.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/12/wo...ear-paris.html

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And there are many more examples. Of course back then, even liberals had some inkling that Islam was a dangerous ideology, so the fact of "no go zones" was reported with disarming honesty. But times have changed, and now we have weasels like CNN's Anderson Cooper apologizing to viewers if a guest dares to breath word of truth.

[rogue06]

Shortly after the terrorist attacks in Paris, France back in 2015, the Molenbeek municipality in Brussels, Belgium (where the terrorists were based) was described as a "no-go area." As reported in the New York TimesUrban Sociology: A Global Introduction, published by Cambridge University Press in 2013 says that the Paris police, not the media, describe La Courneuve, a commune/district in northern Paris, as being a no-go zone. French politicians prefer the much more PC term "Zone urbaine sensible" (ZUS) which means "Sensitive urban zone."

[Roy]

So liberals like to claim, but there is ample evidence that they are very real.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/1...o-zones-europe

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/je...e-all-too-real

So... your support for your claim that there are no-go zones in London is Londoners saying there aren't?

[Mountain Man]

So... your support for your claim that there are no-go zones in London is Londoners saying there aren't?

Did you even read the links?

First link:

Source: Gatestone Institute

If you say that there are some areas where even the police are afraid to go, where the country's normal, secular laws barely apply, then it is indisputable that such areas now exist in several Western European countries. France is one of the hardest hit: it has a large population of Arab and African immigrants, including millions of Muslims.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/1...o-zones-europe

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" and then goes on to document references to no-go zones in the mainstream media as early as 2005, and possibly as early as 1996.

It baffles me that you could read either of those sources (or the other sources I presented in post #33) and not think that the existence of no-go zones is a foregone conclusions.

[Roy]

Emphases added for the hard of thinking:

So... your support for your claim that there are no-go zones in London is Londoners saying there aren't?

Did you even read the links?

First link:

Source: Gatestone Institute

If you say that there are some areas where even the police are afraid to go, where the country's normal, secular laws barely apply, then it is indisputable that such areas now exist in several Western European countries. France is one of the hardest hit: it has a large population of Arab and African immigrants, including millions of Muslims.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/1...o-zones-europe

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The story goes on to list a number of facts, such as the Stockholm police inspector admitting that his staff is overwhelmed with criminal complaints, and that there are parts of the city where police, fire, and rescue crews are routinely subject to violent attacks; or that an electrical company would no longer do work in the city of simply because it was too dangerous for its workers to enter the area.

The second link I presented says that "" and then goes on to document references to no-go zones in the mainstream media as early as 2005, and possibly as early as 1996.

It baffles me that you could read either of those sources (or the other sources I presented in post #33) and not think that the existence of no-go zones is a foregone conclusions.

You said there were no-go zones in London. Not France. Not Sweden.

[Charles]

You said there were no-go zones in London. Not France. Not Sweden.

[Leonhard]

[Mountain Man]

You said there were no-go zones in London.

Ah, right, getting my conversations crossed here.

I thought you were referring to the articles I had posted proving "no go zones" that exist throughout Europe.

London we've already covered in this article I posted earlier:

Source: Breitbart

Muslim Patrol groups often regulate no-go zones. In this video, one group can be seen taking alcohol from people and scolding women to cover their bodies...

http://www.breitbart.com/national-se...nted-on-video/

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But wait, there's more!

Source: Breitbart

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017...acid-revealed/

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Of course Breitbart isn't the only news organization that's noticed:

Source: Daily Mail

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...e-systems.html

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Source: Daily Mail

(Dec 2015)Serving police officers today backed Donald Trump's claim that some Muslim communities in the UK are no-go areas because of extremism.

Several Met officers have said the 'Islamification' of some parts of the capital requires 'extra vigilance' and they can't wear uniforms for safety reasons...

The US presidential contender caused worldwide consternation yesterday after a string of incendiary remarks about Muslims, including in Britain, and said: 'We have places in London and other places that are so radicalised that police are afraid for their own lives.'

But one serving officer said today Trump had 'pointed out something plainly obvious, something which I think we aren't as a nation willing to own up to'.

Another policeman said that he and other colleagues fear being terror targets and spoke of the 'dire warning' from bosses not to wear a uniform 'even in my own car'.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...oon-RIGHT.html

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Nor is it a recent development:

Source: The New York Sun

http://www.nysun.com/opinion/londons-no-go-zones/73320/

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Like I said, the evidence is overwhelming, and "no go zones" throughout Europe are a foregone conclusion at this point. It's stick-your-head-in-the-sand stupid to pretend otherwise.

[Mountain Man]

Sounds like it was a little more than that:

Source: The Brussels Journal

https://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/429

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[Roy]

Ah, right, getting my conversations crossed here.

AKA not reading what you're responding to.

London we've already covered in this article I posted earlier:

Source: Breitbart

Muslim Patrol groups often regulate no-go zones. In this video, one group can be seen taking alcohol from people and scolding women to cover their bodies...

http://www.breitbart.com/national-se...nted-on-video/

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Apart from the trivial issue that London is not a city in the Midlands, your source claims there are no-go areas, but cites some-one saying there aren't:
""

Your second source doesn't mention the police.

Your third source is essentially the same as the first, and contains the same contradiction.

Your fourth source is not only based on unverifiable anonymous sources, but explicitly states that the police do go into the so-called 'no-go' areas, albeit with extra precautions.

Your fifth source describes what radical Islamicists want to do, not reality, and includes no evidence whatsoever of no-go areas, just some bishop overstating the facts in the same way that you are.

Like I said, the evidence is overwhelming, and "no go zones" throughout Europe are a foregone conclusion at this point.

There are no 'no-go' zones in London. Your own sources make that clear.

[Roy]

Sounds like it was a little more than that:

Source: The Brussels Journal

https://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/429

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Leonhard, , is citing .

You live on a different continent and are citing a conservative website in another country that is quoting extracts from an anti-Islamic blog.

Who to believe?

[Mountain Man]

There are no 'no-go' zones in London. Your own sources make that clear.

Apparently they make it so "clear" that you had to spin like a top to dismiss what the sources actually said.

[Mountain Man]

Leonhard, , is citing .

You live on a different continent and are citing a conservative website in another country that is quoting extracts from an anti-Islamic blog.

Who to believe?

Whoever wrote the article presumably also lives in the city (it reads like an eye-witness report).