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No kidding!Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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For a somewhat less inflammatory look at the story, you might want to read: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/baltimo...-gray-killing/
The BLM activity/protests are only one of the several items that are being identified as a contributor to the increased homocide rate. There are several other factors as well. This kind of skewed reporting is one of the reasons I do not pro-actively read Brietbart anymore. Their agenda gets in the way of their reporting, IMO.
I would note that they are not the only ones using inflammatory titles these days: https://www.npr.org/2017/12/31/57482...olice-presence
But my experience is that Brietbart's inflammatory titles are almost always skewed to one political agenda. Sites like NPR use inflammatory titles to get eyeballs on both sides of the political spectrum. IMO, the latter is not MUCH better than the former.Last edited by carpedm9587; 01-02-2018, 07:58 AM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostFor a somewhat less inflammatory look at the story, you might want to read: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/baltimo...-gray-killing/
The BLM activity/protests are only one of the several items that are being identified as a contributor to the increased homocide rate. There are several other factors as well. This kind of skewed reporting is one of the reasons I do not pro-actively read Brietbart anymore. Their agenda gets in the way of their reporting, IMO.
I would note that they are not the only ones using inflammatory titles these days: https://www.npr.org/2017/12/31/57482...olice-presence
But my experience is that Brietbart's inflammatory titles are almost always skewed to one political agenda. Sites like NPR use inflammatory titles to get eyeballs on both sides of the political spectrum. IMO, the latter is not MUCH better than the former.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostFor a somewhat less inflammatory look at the story, you might want to read: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/baltimo...-gray-killing/
The BLM activity/protests are only one of the several items that are being identified as a contributor to the increased homocide rate. There are several other factors as well. This kind of skewed reporting is one of the reasons I do not pro-actively read Brietbart anymore. Their agenda gets in the way of their reporting, IMO.
I would note that they are not the only ones using inflammatory titles these days: https://www.npr.org/2017/12/31/57482...olice-presence
But my experience is that Brietbart's inflammatory titles are almost always skewed to one political agenda. Sites like NPR use inflammatory titles to get eyeballs on both sides of the political spectrum. IMO, the latter is not MUCH better than the former.
Either comment on the topic, or get out of my thread.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostSo, putting aside the alleged biased reporting, as to the premise that the murder rate is up because of a pullback by police as a result of the Freddy/BLM factor, what say ye?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostSo you whine about my source but never show that it's actually wrong.
Either comment on the topic, or get out of my thread.
Or did I miss the purpose of your thread?The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostSo, putting aside the alleged biased reporting, as to the premise that the murder rate is up because of a pullback by police as a result of the Freddy/BLM factor, what say ye?
*Of course, I'm sure some did indeed have as their goal "reduced presence," the outcome of which I agree would have been entirely predictable.Last edited by carpedm9587; 01-02-2018, 08:19 AM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThe irony is that his supposedly "less inflammatory" source reports the exact same facts as Breitbart. The primary difference is that they downplay the extent to which BLM protestors demanded that police stay out of their neighbourhoods.
They are very good at what they do, I have to acknowledge that. They know just how to structure an article to keep it reasonably accurate (most of the time) while still pushing the inflammatory buttons of the right.
That being said - you apparently want to discuss the police presence issue rather than reporting practices related to the issue, so we should perhaps end this line of discussion. I'll focus on the other part of the thread as exemplified by CP's question and leave the last word on this discussion to you.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostAs the other articles I linked note,
A) Many people won't take the time to read the article
2) Many people won't see the article as saying the same thing you think it says
iii) It's borderline "argument by weblink", which is against the rules
there are multiple factors at work: the drug situation, the gun laws in that area, etc. It would be hard to determine exactly which factors contributed how many lives to the mix. I am sure that the pull-back by police is a factor (it may even be the dominant factor), and it is unfortunate. If the police did indeed reduce their presence,The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAbout that... .... It's really best to give a brief synopsis of what it is you're trying to say from "the link".
A) Many people won't take the time to read the article
2) Many people won't see the article as saying the same thing you think it says
iii) It's borderline "argument by weblink", which is against the rules
So how did I break the rules (letter OR spirit?)
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAre you not buying the implication that it was the city management "reducing the presence" of the police, not necessarily the police themselves pulling back?The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostOK - maybe I'm not understanding the rules? I provided two links to alternate articles. Below each link I included a brief 1-2 sentence summary of what I pulled from the article that I wanted to emphasize. The review is brief because I am told I am wordy.
So how did I break the rules (letter OR spirit?)
Actually, I cannot tell from the reports which factor dominates. Police morale is reported to be reduced, which suggests the police themselves are less engaged.
I think she deserves a lot of the "credit" for the mell of a hess they're in now.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostActually, they don't. I went back to the Brietbart and re-read in case I missed something. As usual, their language leans towards superlative ("black leaders" rather than "some black leaders") and I find no reference to the other social dynamics identified as related to the surging homocide rate (e.g., drugs, gun laws, etc. - see CBS article).
They are very good at what they do, I have to acknowledge that. They know just how to structure an article to keep it reasonably accurate (most of the time) while still pushing the inflammatory buttons of the right.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI said "borderline".
Well, there's a clear delineation in police work - there's "the cops on the street" who go where they're told when they're told - then there's police "command" which is often more political and gets marching orders from "the city". The city of Baltimore establishment seems pretty much anti-cop. Baltimore's State's Attorney, Marilyn J. Mosby, made a total !$@#%!^^ out of herself by going on a social justice campaign instead of prosecuting the case in a professional manner.
I think she deserves a lot of the "credit" for the mell of a hess they're in now.
I will observe that I have been accused of being "anti-cop," and I am nothing of the sort. I support the local police force monetarily, with some of my time, and see their role as vital and their commitment to that service as a benefit to society. I am accused of being "anti-cop" because I had the temerity to agree that racial bias is present in many police forces across the country, and it needs to be addressed. Racial bias by Joe-on-the-street is not a good thing, but racial bias by an armed police force is downright dangerous. I understand why it exists, and I don't think police are "bad people," but the factors that lead to racial bias need to be countered as a part of a well-managed, well-trained police force.
It is possible to love/support someone, and still be critical of some aspects of their behavior or activities. Being critical of one aspect of police forces does not make me "anti-cop." I do noty know if the leadership in Boston is being labeled "anti-cop" for the same reasons I have been, but if they have been - then I disagree they are necessarily anti-cop.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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