Should Al Franken Resign?

[Cow Poke]

So, now that Jones has won, and it's no longer necessary to hound Moore about his creepiness, I wonder if the left will relax and allow Franken to rethink his resignation.

My guess is - no. I'm thinking the Democrats will now feel emboldened to do everything in their power to drive Trump out of office over his alleged indiscretions.

[Bill the Cat]

And likely will again soon.

Riiiighht. You just can't quit us.

I guess people coming and going is too hard for your braincell to cope with?

Nah. It's called addiction. You just CAN'T put us away...

[Cow Poke]

Riiiighht. You just can't quit us.




Nah. It's called addiction. You just CAN'T put us away...

It's like when people declare "I'm THROUGH with you, and not going to respond any more to your stupidity... blah blah blah"... and a couple posts later, there they are.


Which reminds me.


It's time for me to quit again.

[Bill the Cat]

He rage flounced a couple months ago, and not for the first time if memory serves. He only recently started re-posting in the last week (although OBP pointed out that he's been lurking the forum just about everyday). For a little background on Starlight, he's about as disrespectful and discourteous at they come around here. He regularly talks down to posters, has stated a number of times that he thinks that just about everyone here are idiots, degenerates, scum, evil, and completely beneath him, while bragging about his own intelligence, how well read he is, how he once wrote a book, and how all his friends agree with him, proving how smart he is. He also holds insane positions on a number of issues that are so horrendous that even his nearest acquaintances on this website squick at. So, for instance, he believes that infanticide is morally justifiable, and is okay with the "post-birth abortion" of children as old as three, he agrees with Peter Singer that there's nothing inherently wrong with bestiality as long as no harm comes to the animal, he's supported offering pedophiles pedophile porn, and explained to the forum once that US conservatives were prudes for not exposing children to co-ed nudity in mix gender showers.

Dude's got some...issues.

And he used to post here as a Christian under another name a long time ago, so his insistence that he came here to see the "perspective of US religious conservatives" is actually a lie.

[JimL]

So, now that Jones has won, and it's no longer necessary to hound Moore about his creepiness, I wonder if the left will relax and allow Franken to rethink his resignation.

My guess is - no. I'm thinking the Democrats will now feel emboldened to do everything in their power to drive Trump out of office over his alleged indiscretions.

Excellent idea!

[Cow Poke]

Excellent idea!

Were you around when the media totally gave a pass to Bill Clinton? Or were you still pooping green.

[JimL]

Were you around when the media totally gave a pass to Bill Clinton? Or were you still pooping green.

You're previous post, to which I responded, had nothing to do with the media. Are you losing it CP?

[Cow Poke]

You're previous post, to which I responded, had nothing to do with the media. Are you losing it CP?

It's "your", Jimmy. The apostrophe you used indicates a contraction - "you are" - which wouldn't read properly. "you are previous post..."

Like most of your posts, that just doesn't make sense at all.

[Zymologist]

And he used to post here as a Christian under another name a long time ago, so his insistence that he came here to see the "perspective of US religious conservatives" is actually a lie.

Could be that he came back here for that reason.

[carpedm9587]

I'm not at all surprised the left hates Trump. Initially, I think, the thing that attracted many people to Trump was his attacks on 'political correctness', which truly had run amuck. I really didn't know much about him.

As I've said before, "PC" has become the umbrella dismissal for "something I don't want to hear." We all have our boundary - and when it goes past that boundary, it gets labeled "PC" so we can dismiss it. In the case of Trump - it has been turned into a shield to cover his incredible lack of civility and statemanship.

And I don't hate Hillary. Yes, I would have to admit I dislike her - I think she's phony as a three dollar bill, and will do anything or say anything to stay in office. You're aware, perhaps, of the multitude of reports on how she treats "the little people"?

I'm aware of most of the accusations leveled at Ms. Clinton - both the valid ones and the pointless, groundless bashing.

See, I think that's over the top. I wasn't wild about Obama, but he was, indeed, President.

There is no doubt Mr. Trump holds that office. He doesn't deserve it, and I won't sully an office I hold in high regard by granting him a title he shows utter disregard for.

You realize you're describing Obama?

No - I'm not. While I did not agree with several of Obama's policies, I cannot recall seeing him "get even" the way Trump does, set out to insult others because he felt slighted, or name call at the drop of a hat. When he boasted (which he did) it was about "we" and the entire team that worked on their initiatives - seldom about himself. O'bama was a statesman, and continues to be a statesman. Bush was inarticulate, but still a statesman. Reagan was a consumate statesman, as was Clinton (though I hold his personal morals in extremely low esteem). So was Carter, and Bush Sr.

Mr. Trump is a buffoon - a media personality with some fairly serious personality disorders, IMO. He's an embarrassment to the office and to himself.

That gets old.

'm not a Trump defender, and I'm not proud of his persona. I am thankful that we didn't get a leftist SCOTUS member, and I'm thankful Hillary is not POTUS, but, other than that, I have to tolerate who Trump is.

You may be surprised to find that, much as I thought the tactics used by the right to prevent Obama from seating someone were unwise and will come back to haunt us all, I was in support of the results. The current court is reasonably balanced at 4 left, one centrist, and 4 right. If Obama had seated a centrist or left-leaning person, it would have skewed the court to the left. Personally, I would like it if one right and one left retired and were both replaced with centrists, giving the court a 3-3-3 balance and encouraging a bit more concensus on rulings instead of the fairly regular 5/4 split we have today with Kennedy often being the deciding vote. To me, that's too much power in one pair of hands. But I see no way to bring SCOTUS to a 3-3-3 balance. If a left and right jurist were to resign under a Republican president - the court would skew right. If it were to happen under a Democrat president, it would skew left. So I guess we have what we have.

For that reason, I hope that the next President is a Democrat - because the next likely retirement is Ruth and it would preserve the balance. Heaven help us when Kennedy resigns - I doubt the court will remain balanced.

As for tolerating Trump - I don't think ANY of us should be "settling" for a person like Trump in the highest office in the land. Frankly, I think Republicans should be embarrased that, out of 55 million registered Republicans - that was the best you could do. Surely, somewhere out there, is a candidate who holds to your policies and ideals, and is NOT the incredibly amoral, self-serving buffoon that was elected in 2016. Is that REALLY the best you can do?

[Adrift]

As I've said before, "PC" has become the umbrella dismissal for "something I don't want to hear." We all have our boundary - and when it goes past that boundary, it gets labeled "PC" so we can dismiss it. In the case of Trump - it has been turned into a shield to cover his incredible lack of civility and statemanship.

That isn't really the case. Not as most people use the term at any rate. When people refer to something being "politically correct" there really does seem to be some generally agreed understanding what that includes. I've seen plenty of people on the left even agree with people on the right on things that seemed "PC". The term isn't nearly as nebulous as you're attempting to paint it.

[carpedm9587]

That isn't really the case. Not as most people use the term at any rate. When people refer to something being "politically correct" there really does seem to be some generally agreed understanding what that includes. I've seen plenty of people on the left even agree with people on the right on things that seemed "PC". The term isn't nearly as nebulous as you're attempting to paint it.

Actually - it is. I look at the people who want me to eliminate all masculine and feminine pronouns from my language as being "politically correct." They do not consider it PC because it is important to them. Someone else would consider my exclusion of gender-specific names in my training materials as "PC," but I consider it sensitive to the intended audience, who's gender I do not know. I use "happy holidays" when I do not know the specific religious beliefs of the person I'm talking to, or if there are multiple people from different religions. I use Merry Christmas when I'm talking to a christian, happy Hanukkah when talking to a jew, and so forth. My goal is to wish them a happy holiday that has meaning to them, not to hammer them with my traditions. I'm labeled "PC" for doing that because others feel "silenced" or don't like my choice. The list continues on. My experience, largely from the right at this time, is "PC" has become a code word for "I don't want to hear it."

Trump is considered "not PC" so that is to be admired. But in fact Trump is rude, a boor, a bully, and a buffoon - and all of that is being "forgiven" by praising him for not being "PC." I don't feel a need to do that. I recognize a buffoon and a bully when I see one. His "straight talk" is nothing to be proud of, and nothing to defend. He's an embarassment to our country and to his office.

[Cow Poke]

No - I'm not. While I did not agree with several of Obama's policies, I cannot recall seeing him "get even" the way Trump does

No, not like Trump does - instead, he weaponized the Justice Department, the FBI, the IRS, and boasted of his "pen and phone"... He was much more subtle.

set out to insult others because he felt slighted,

You gotta be kidding...

or name call at the drop of a hat.

Obama was more reserved in this respect.

When he boasted (which he did) it was about "we" and the entire team that worked on their initiatives - seldom about himself.

WOW!!!! I had to look to make sure this was YOU posting this. This sounds more like JimL level stuff!

This is supposed to be his "vote for Hillary" speech -- what does he do? It's ALL about Obama!

O'bama was a statesman, and continues to be a statesman.

He could certainly be eloquent in his "meisms".

Bush was inarticulate, but still a statesman. Reagan was a consumate statesman, as was Clinton (though I hold his personal morals in extremely low esteem). So was Carter, and Bush Sr.

Mr. Trump is a buffoon - a media personality with some fairly serious personality disorders, IMO. He's an embarrassment to the office and to himself.

I'm not defending Trump. I frequently cringe at the things he says, and most of the tweets he tweets.

[Adrift]

Actually - it is. I look at the people who want me to eliminate all masculine and feminine pronouns from my language as being "politically correct." They do not consider it PC because it is important to them. Someone else would consider my exclusion of gender-specific names in my training materials as "PC," but I consider it sensitive to the intended audience, who's gender I do not know. I use "happy holidays" when I do not know the specific religious beliefs of the person I'm talking to, or if there are multiple people from different religions. I use Merry Christmas when I'm talking to a christian, happy Hanukkah when talking to a jew, and so forth. My goal is to wish them a happy holiday that has meaning to them, not to hammer them with my traditions. I'm labeled "PC" for doing that because others feel "silenced" or don't like my choice. The list continues on. My experience, largely from the right at this time, is "PC" has become a code word for "I don't want to hear it."

Trump is considered "not PC" so that is to be admired. But in fact Trump is rude, a boor, a bully, and a buffoon - and all of that is being "forgiven" by praising him for not being "PC." I don't feel a need to do that. I recognize a buffoon and a bully when I see one. His "straight talk" is nothing to be proud of, and nothing to defend. He's an embarassment to our country and to his office.

I would be surprised to find that those who were advocating something like the elimination of masculine and feminine pronouns would not realize that what they're advocating is, in fact, politically correct. They may simply not see anything wrong with being "politically correct". I think you're going too far in thinking that the concept of PC is completely arbitrary and meaningless. Most people know PC when they see PC. Sure, there's always going to be a remnant of people who resist a label for whatever reason, that doesn't mean that label is undefined or has absolutely no significance. Trump is both rude/boorish and not PC. The two are not exclusionary.

[One Bad Pig]

As I've said before, "PC" has become the umbrella dismissal for "something I don't want to hear." We all have our boundary - and when it goes past that boundary, it gets labeled "PC" so we can dismiss it. In the case of Trump - it has been turned into a shield to cover his incredible lack of civility and statemanship.

You seem to have a penchant for redefining words to mean what you want them to mean. That makes it difficult to have a reasonable conversation with you. I appreciate that you're polite, but conversations with you tend to be frustrating nonetheless.