Should Al Franken Resign?

[Cow Poke]

I had nothing to prove other than observing that each side is racing to the defense of "their team" and racing to denigrate the other - with a call to perhaps looking at just how much each of us is operating out of our own little bubble - myself included. Indeed - that is one of the reasons I chose to come back to TWeb.

And folks are trying to pop your bubble.

[Mountain Man]

I had nothing to prove other than observing that each side is racing to the defense of "their team" and racing to denigrate the other...

If all other things were equal then you would have a point. But all other things are not equal.

[Bill the Cat]

He's giving a speech now...

[Mountain Man]

So far, the only one I have seen who I think has approached the whole thing reasonably well is Conyers, who has denied the truth of the allegations, stepped aside from his post so as not to be a distraction, and called for an investigation to clear his name.

And now it looks like Conyers is heading back to work as if nothing happened.

Source: Breitbart

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...turn-congress/

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[carpedm9587]

And now it looks like Conyers is heading back to work as if nothing happened.

Source: Breitbart

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...turn-congress/

© Copyright Original Source

Conyers stepped down from his position as the ranking member of the judiciary committee, and his stated reason was that, given his status and role on this committe, it would distract from the work that committee needed to do. He never stepped down from his congressional position, and has denied the accuracy of the accusations.

Really, MM - you do need to get out of Brietbart now and then and read something that is not skewed so badly to the right. I read Brietbart as well, but I balance it with sources across the political spectrum. Try wandering around www.allsides.com now and then - it will provide you with input from the left, right, AND middle. What I like about www.allsides.com is that the ranking of the resources is crowd sourced - based on average reviews of the people who assess the various articles. It tends to lend some balance to the discussion.

[Mountain Man]

Oh, I see, so Conyers wasn't stepping down, he was "stepping down ". Now I get it.

[carpedm9587]

Oh, I see, so Conyers wasn't stepping down, he was "stepping down ". Now I get it.

[Mountain Man]

In other words, it's a self-assigned punishment that isn't really a punishment at all.

[One Bad Pig]

Oh, I see, so Conyers wasn't stepping down, he was "stepping down ". Now I get it.

Not AFAICS. He did indeed step down from his rather influential committee position. He has not resigned his position as a congressman. I'm not sure how you seem to have confused the two.

[Teallaura]

I had nothing to prove other than observing that each side is racing to the defense of "their team" and racing to denigrate the other - with a call to perhaps looking at just how much each of us is operating out of our own little bubble - myself included. Indeed - that is one of the reasons I chose to come back to TWeb.

Okay, but that seems to carry an a priori assumption that 'everyone' is wrong. To defend and conclude purely because it's 'your guy' I very much grant is not only wrong, it's stupid. But if you've legitimately concluded 'your guy' is in the right, how would this differ? What should we expect to see?

The case against Moore is a glass house. There case against Franken is better but not by a lot (circumstantial evidence is its strongest suit). I think Moore is probably innocent and Franken probably guilty (the kiss incident) based on the evidence. I'll vote for Moore and won't be calling for Franken to step down (as much as I'd love to see him do so) also based on the evidence.

And I'll be accused of hypocrisy and rallying around 'my guy'.

[One Bad Pig]

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[Mountain Man]

Not AFAICS. He did indeed step down from his rather influential committee position. He has not resigned his position as a congressman. I'm not sure how you seem to have confused the two.

It's not like he's suddenly going to lose influence and prestige in the eyes of his peers just because he "stepped down". They already knew what he did before it became public, so nothing has changed as far as his fellow members of Congress are concerned.

[carpedm9587]

It's not like he's suddenly going to lose influence and prestige in the eyes of his peers just because he "stepped down". They already knew what he did before it became public, so nothing has changed as far as his fellow members of Congress are concerned.

You make a LOT of unsubstantiated assumptions. On what do you base THIS claim?

[Mountain Man]

You make a LOT of unsubstantiated assumptions. On what do you base THIS claim?

Come on, you really think they DIDN'T know who was drawing from the Congressional slush fund used to pay off victims?

https://nypost.com/2017/11/14/rep-sa...sment-victims/

Word is that the vast majority of those drawing from the fund have a "D" next to their name.

[carpedm9587]

Come on, you really think they DIDN'T know who was drawing from the Congressional slush fund used to pay off victims?

https://nypost.com/2017/11/14/rep-sa...sment-victims/

Word is that the vast majority of those drawing from the fund have a "D" next to their name.

OK - so I repeat the question. The article you linked to makes note of the slush fund, but provides no names and no indication of distribution (except to note one D and one R). I folowed the embedded links and still did not arrive at that information, so it's not clear to me how this article supports your claim. And where do you get the information that they are mostly "D?" Can you give me a source I can look at?