Liberal Atheists are at it again.

[seer]

If I'm wrong, then you should be able to show me a specific reference to the God of Christianity in the Declaration of Independence.

So Roy, you really believe that they were speaking of two different Gods? The one in the Proclamations and the one in the DoI?

[Cow Poke]

Sometimes they are.

You still haven't cited a passage in the DoI which refers specifically or explicitly to the Xtian god. You can't, because there isn't one. Yet you will never, ever admit it.

The "Christian God" is the same one referred to in the OT (and the new) as "the God of Abraham, Jacob and Isaac". A Jew, for instance, doesn't have to acknowledge that this is the God of the New Testament.

[JimL]

The "Christian God" is the same one referred to in the OT (and the new) as "the God of Abraham, Jacob and Isaac". A Jew, for instance, doesn't have to acknowledge that this is the God of the New Testament.

According to Christians they're the same god, according to Jews they're not.

[Cow Poke]

According to Christians they're the same god, according to Jews they're not.

Yes, and your point?

[NorrinRadd]

Wow. As wacky as dimbulb.

[Sparko]

If I'm wrong, then you should be able to show me a specific reference to the God of Christianity in the Declaration of Independence.

Anything else is confirmation that I'm right when I say that there isn't one, and that the Xtians here, you included, are more than willing to sacrifice truth in favour of fellowship.

As for your claim that I'm nit-picking to avoid admitting I'm wrong, that's just your own excuse for not admitting that I'm actually right. You even stated that there wasn't a specific reference to the god of Xtianity (because no specific reference was needed), only an implicit one based on the culture of the time, but you are still balking at conceding that I was right about that clear and obvious fact. You could even have said that I was right, but it doesn't really matter. Instead you've chosen to back up your fellow Xtians in falsehood.

Unless some-one - anyone - either cites a specific reference to the God of Xtianity or admits there isn't one, I'm done here. I've stated many times what would prove me wrong, and no-one has done it. MM is right about beating my head against a wall, but the wall is impenetrable theistic intransigence.

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post486069

[Jedidiah]

I have no idea what you are talking about. Which God was the First Congress speaking about in their first two proclamations of thanksgiving?

Those are excellent examples of referring specifically to the Christian god. Such a pity for MM that there is nothing similar in the DoI.

These things do not count because they were not in the actual formal document that Roy is asking about. Nya, nya, nya.

[Tassman]

According to Christians they're the same god, according to Jews they're not.

[tabibito]

So who did conduct the census, and when?

According to Luke - Quirinius, around 13 BC. Any other "possibility" would pit Luke in conflict with Matthew, with no evidence provided to support that alternative possibility.

ἡγεμονεύω (ἡγεμών; Hom.+; SIG 877, 5; OGI 493, 24; PTebt 302, 7; PRyl 113, 20; PStras 41, 17; Philo, Joseph., Just.; SibOr 5, 348) to exercise an administrative position, be leader, command, rule, order (BDAG)

ηγεμονευοντος - "of the governing," usually translated as "governing" or similar, is used with regard to any member of a governing body - or in a position of command.

[Roy]

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post486069

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post486080

[Roy]

According to Luke - Quirinius, around 13 BC. Any other "possibility" would pit Luke in conflict with Matthew, with no evidence provided to support that alternative possibility.

But in order to know that Luke was "bang-on accurate", you'd need confirmation of that date from an independent source - and other sources indicate otherwise.

[seer]

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post486080

So again Roy, do you really believe that they were speaking of two different Gods? The one in the Proclamations and the one in the DoI?

[Cow Poke]

Wow, word vomit! No matter how you try to twist it, Jefferson was clearly not anti-God like you faithless lot.

[Roy]

So again Roy, do you really believe that they were speaking of two different Gods? The one in the Proclamations and the one in the DoI?

Again, are you going to provide a passage from the DoI that specifically/explicitly references the god of Christianity?

If not, I'm not interested in anything you write.

[seer]

Again, are you going to provide a passage from the DoI that specifically/explicitly references the god of Christianity?

If not, I'm not interested in anything you write.

Really Roy? Why don't you just give a straight answer? Are they speaking of two different Gods? Why are you dodging?