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I think a lot of us would be thrilled if California seceded from the US. It would be like excising a tumour from an otherwise healthy body.
Of course they would be bankrupt within a week of seceding and begging for reinstatement, but that would be their problem.Last edited by Mountain Man; 10-13-2017, 05:44 AM.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI think a lot of us would be thrilled if California seceded from the US. It would be like excising a tumour from an otherwise healthy body.
Of course they would be bankrupt within a week of seceding and begging for reinstatement, but that would be their problem.
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legally they can't. After the civil war, it was decided that there is no path to secession. They would need to get the US constitution changed first. But I for one would not try to stop them. Maybe they could elect Weinstein as president.
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The 'legal' basis for secession would have to be fought out in the courts. As it stands, they can't secede.
I'm more curious as to how they propose to maintain a fiscal house without Fed assistance?"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Maybe Cali and Quebec can get together.
I would let Quebec leave without thought. And, like, Cali, they'd be back in a minute with their hand out for the billions in transfer payments that Alberta has to send them every year. Even when Alberta's economy is in the tank.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostThe 'legal' basis for secession would have to be fought out in the courts. As it stands, they can't secede.
I'm more curious as to how they propose to maintain a fiscal house without Fed assistance?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostVeritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostIt's probably true that Californians pay more in federal taxes than the money they get from the federal government. Of course, by that definition, they're getting little things like postal service, social security, and protection from foreign invasion for "free."
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostI'm more curious as to how they propose to maintain a fiscal house without Fed assistance?Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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I think I read somewhere that Alaska was the state that most "gets more than it gives"; it's understandable that a state like Alaska would likely be an outlier for many statistical purposes."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postlegally they can't. After the civil war, it was decided that there is no path to secession. They would need to get the US constitution changed first. But I for one would not try to stop them. Maybe they could elect Weinstein as president.
This went to the Supreme Court, which ruled 5-3 that because Texas had never legally left the country or ceased being a state, any actions taken by the confederate government (outside of routine matters) were illegal, and thus the selling of the bonds was invalid and Texas got to keep them. One can read the rationale for themselves here. This critical phrase was stated in the decision:
"The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States."
So two possibilities were given for a legal secession: "Revolution or consent of the States." Obviously, as the Civil War itself was a revolution, the former refers to successful revolution, as much as was the case in the Revolutionary War, your secession becomes ex post facto legal if you win any ensuing war. The latter is a bit more ambiguous (what qualifies as "consent of the States"?) but still indicates that if you can get enough of the rest of the country to go along with it, it's legal.
Mind you, this decision is from 1869 so who knows how binding it would be considered today. But it is the only time the Supreme Court officially touched on the subject, and that was their apparent opinion of what would make any secession legal.Last edited by Terraceth; 10-13-2017, 08:49 PM.
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