Rush Limbaugh: Hurricanes are a liberal conspiracy for promoting climate change

[rogue06]

"Climate change" is where the money and prestige is. You're not going to get your name in the journals, or hold a job at a major university, or have access to grant money unless you tow the line. It's the same for anyone who questions evolution, even if they make a prediction that turns out to be true, like when Dr. Humphreys correctly predicted the existence and strength of planetary magnetic fields based on the assumption that the universe is only several thousand years old. It was a startling discovery for anyone who promotes the old universe theory, but it was all but ignored by mainstream science.

http://creationresearch.org/crsq/art...21_3/21_3.html

Numerous calculations used for launching rockets work just as well using a geocentric model as they do using a heliocentric one but that does not make the former correct.

And speaking of geocentrism, Gerardus Bouw, a leading proponent of this model who also defends a solid firmament (sounds like John Martin, except I don't think Bouw also champions a flat earth as well), is/was a member of Creation Research Society (CRS - the source you cite), And, according to Walter van der Kamp, a Dutch geocentrist, it was due in part to encouragement from Harold Armstrong, one of the co-founders of CRS, that he founded the geocentric Tychonian Society. So I would suggest you proceed cautiously when citing material provided by this organization.

As for Russell Humphreys, IIRC, his model failed when it came to Jupiter and again IIRC he obtained his results by using a model with a free parameter and picked a free parameter that would match up with the conclusions he wanted.

[Mountain Man]

Wait... You're a YEC? Really?! Well that renders your opinion on anything relating to empirical or scientific evidence irrelevant. No wonder you're a climate change denialist.

... 'Creation Research Society'... LOL

This is your idea of a substantive response, is it?

[EvoUK]

This is your idea of a substantive response, is it?

You're a YEC. You don't qualify for or deserve one.

[Mountain Man]

Anyway, "man in the street" reports suggest that this hurricane is far less spectacular than it was hyped up to be, but maybe we have yet to see the worst of it?

[Mountain Man]

You're a YEC. You don't qualify for or deserve one.

Yeah, ok

[hedrick]

Which "original model"? There were about a dozen different predictions where the storm would go.

There are two major models, European and US. Each of them are made of 50 or so submodels. The earliest ones I saw showed a variety of paths, but they were centered on Florida. Forecasters have to turn that variety into a specific prediction. The first I saw showed it going up the east coast. Then for a day or so it was up the center of Florida. Finally in the last day or so it's been the west coast. All of these were within the center area of the original range of models.

Here's one from the 7th showing the east coast: http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-w...es-for-florida. Here's one from the 8th showing it up the center: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ate/644748001/.

Here's an article from the 8th showing models at that time and the recent past, giving more of a sense of the range of models: https://arstechnica.com/science/2017...urricane-irma/ for the 7th and 8th. That was during a time when the center of the projects changed from east to west, but all were around Florida. It also has a discussion on their accuracy.

Here's a Washington Post article from Sept 5, showing a number of the models: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.e388f3b5dde6. Note that the models then also centered around Florida, tending to show the west coast as the target.

Sept 1 did, however, show it much too far east: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.feab93572c3c. But 10 days is a pretty long time for this kind of forecast, and that was before people were talking about evacuations.

Incidentally the current report (as of noon Sunday), https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...pan-abc-region, shows hurricane winds more to the east of the storm than the west, and a slightly more eastward position than overnight. So at least parts of Miami are seeing hurricane force winds. My layman's read is that probably the center of town will miss it, but will still see high winds.

[Mountain Man]

I'm hearing that wind gusts are far less than what was predicted.

[Leonhard]

Having listened a bit to Rush Limbaugh, I don't think The Young Turks fairly portrayed him as saying that the hurricane itself was a conspiracy. Rather Rush Limbaugh says that there's a widespread set of a beliefs that are used for politicized ends, and so the hurricane is used to justify belief in Global Warming, which Rush Limbaugh denies. He sees a conspiracy in how false science is being used for a political end, or how politics is trying to prop up false science. The latter is also conspiracy mongering and anti-science, and certainly sounds like what I expect Rush Limbaugh to say, but its not an outrageous conspiracy theory like claiming the hurricane doesn't exist.

I'd expect the latter from Alex Jones, not Rush Limbaugh.

[Jedidiah]

Al Gore is not, did not, does not and will not the end all and be all of anyone who has ever spoken on Anthropogenic Climate Change. He was a popularizer of the concept, it's weird to see conservatives refer to him as if he was the gold standard of anything ever said on the subject. Though I guess it follows the human tendency on wanting to attribute entire movements to various figureheads.

I for one do not see Gore as having any significant role in anything except greed and dishonesty. I do not blame serious Climate Change people for his scamming behavior.

[Mountain Man]

I for one do not see Gore as having any significant role in anything except greed and dishonesty. I do not blame serious Climate Change people for his scamming behavior.

Gore epitomises the "climate change" industry.

[KingsGambit]

You're a YEC. You don't qualify for or deserve one.

As a TE - don't be a jackass.

[Starlight]

Gore epitomises the "climate change" industry.

This conservative conspiracy that there's some sort of money-making industry among scientists & reporters to popularize climate change is bizarre because it's so exactly backwards. We know from internal emails and memos that oil companies who knew climate change was real from their internal scientific reports, nonetheless spent a lot of money paying some scientists and politicians to deny climate change (including many of the same scientists whom tobacco companies had previously paid to deny that smoking causes cancer). So when a politician who's taken millions in donations from the oil and gas industry (e.g. Republican Jim Inhofe) comes out and denies climate change (and throws a snowball on the Senate floor to prove it), nobody's really surprised by the pay-for-play corruption (although a few of us are surprised at how easily the low-information gullible republican voters fall for the con).

But in Republican backwards land, the conspiracy isn't to acknowledge the obvious - that the Big Oil is bribing a small number of politicians and scientists to deny climate change for their own obvious financial gain, the conspiracy is to pretend that those people are the true honest actors, and it's Everyone Else who's somehow in in for the money as part of the "climate change industry"... but the conspiracy theorists never seem to quite explain how that would work exactly... (what money? I'm a scientist, how do I get this supposed money? I've got friends who are scientists who do work in the climate change field and they're not rolling in money, what are they doing wrong? Where's all this magic money supposedly coming from? How is this planet-wide scientific conspiracy supposed to work exactly? Does it work without any scientists knowing it exists?) The crazed Republican conspiracy theory doesn't seem to make any sense whatsoever.

[Jedidiah]

This conservative conspiracy that there's some sort of money-making industry among scientists & reporters to popularize climate change is bizarre because it's so exactly backwards.

I do not see any money making conspiracy among scientists in the climate change area. I do see Gore and probably a few others being exactly using the field as a money making arena.

[Tassman]

I'm hearing that wind gusts are far less than what was predicted.

Maybe the scientists got it wrong. Since when does a YEC trust anything science has to say anyway?

[Starlight]

Since when does a YEC trust anything science has to say anyway?

When it's convenient for the propaganda purposes of his latest fake news article on Breitbarf?