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Who will be the Democrat's candidate come November?
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Who will be the Democrat's candidate come November?
13Joe Biden46.15%6Kamala Harris7.69%1Gavin Newsom15.38%2Pete Buttigieg0%0Michelle Obama23.08%3Gretchen Whitmer0%0Other7.69%1
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I'm saying Joe will be the candidate given his insistence that he's going to stick it out until the bitter end, meaning if the Democrats want to replace him, they would have to force him out in what would likely be a bitter convention fight that would leave the Democrats in disarray and potentially hurt the party's reputation with average voters, so at this point, as much as they may not like it after his disastrous debate performance, Joe is their only "safe" option.
But I could be wrong.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI'm saying Joe will be the candidate given his insistence that he's going to stick it out until the bitter end, meaning if the Democrats want to replace him, they would have to force him out in what would likely be a bitter convention fight that would leave the Democrats in disarray and potentially hurt the party's reputation with average voters, so at this point, as much as they may not like it after his disastrous debate performance, Joe is their only "safe" option.
But I could be wrong.Last edited by seanD; 06-29-2024, 05:05 PM.
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Originally posted by seanD View Post
The problem for them is that the veil has been lifted for all to see. They'll look even more absurd than they did before if they try and gaslight us again. So all of Biden's cognitive lapses will be on full display with nothing for them to counter it moving forward.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
They're already laying the groundwork with Obama saying that Joe just had a bad night, and instead of trying to defend Joe, they've pivoted to attacking President Trump, claiming that his performance was just as bad, or even worse. Then there's Chris Matthews with the most bizarre defense, implying that it's not Joe's fault because he isn't fully aware of what's going on in his own administration, and that's the only reason Trump was able to keep him on his heels. And as you've seen, there are "true believers" like JimL who are dutifully parroting the left-wing talking points. I think over the next week, you're going to see the media regroup and start selling the narrative that, "You know, Joe actually didn't do that badly, all things considered," and they're going to blame the initial reaction following the debate on exaggeration by Trump supporters.
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Originally posted by seanD View Post
With folks like Joy Reid, Joe Scarborough, Chuck Todd, Van Jones, NYT, et all., sounding the alarm is going to make them absurd to fall back on that argument, but I wouldn't put it passed them because we're pretty much in the realm of the surreal at this point.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI'm saying Joe will be the candidate given his insistence that he's going to stick it out until the bitter end, meaning if the Democrats want to replace him, they would have to force him out in what would likely be a bitter convention fight that would leave the Democrats in disarray and potentially hurt the party's reputation with average voters, so at this point, as much as they may not like it after his disastrous debate performance, Joe is their only "safe" option.
But I could be wrong.
I still think the D heavyweights will convince Michelle to run. They'll tell her that if she doesn't run that they'll be doomed, that she is their only hope. Barack will need to twist Biden's arm and get him to drop out, then Michelle can pick up his delegates.
Once done, she will not debate (she doesn't have a grasp of the issues or various policies) and Barack will run the show from behind the curtain. A "wink-wink-nod-nod" administration and everyone will know that Barack is in charge.
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Originally posted by Ronson View Post
At this stage, he's sure to lose. So, they have to do something - even if it means disarray.
I still think the D heavyweights will convince Michelle to run. They'll tell her that if she doesn't run that they'll be doomed, that she is their only hope. Barack will need to twist Biden's arm and get him to drop out, then Michelle can pick up his delegates.
Once done, she will not debate (she doesn't have a grasp of the issues or various policies) and Barack will run the show from behind the curtain. A "wink-wink-nod-nod" administration and everyone will know that Barack is in charge.
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Originally posted by seanD View Post
That will be the only way they can get rid of Harris, unless they somehow bribe her to step away with an offer she can't refuse.
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Agreed that Michelle Obama is the only replacement they could get away with apart from Harris. I don't take her stated strong disinterest in politics as definitive proof she wouldn't do it.
If Jimmy Carter was 25 or 30 years younger, he could be a wild card in there too. Most voters didn't live through his presidency and mainly know him as the volunteer guy.
Actually, one really wild suggestion I think they could just about pull off would be Jill Biden, but it's never been suggested."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by Ronson View Post
I'm not that familiar with Harris' and her ambitions. Is she determined to be POTUS? Because she seems to be something of a dimwit. AND I don't believe she has a lot of support. People might stay home rather than vote for her.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostAgreed that Michelle Obama is the only replacement they could get away with apart from Harris. I don't take her stated strong disinterest in politics as definitive proof she wouldn't do it.
If Jimmy Carter was 25 or 30 years younger, he could be a wild card in there too. Most voters didn't live through his presidency and mainly know him as the volunteer guy.
Actually, one really wild suggestion I think they could just about pull off would be Jill Biden, but it's never been suggested.
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Originally posted by seanD View Post
She did run in the primaries. So unless she had a change of heart, I imagine she still has that ambition, especially now that she got a taste of it. As far as political strategy, I don't think Dems have much of a political strategy. If they do, it's likely just either more of the same election rigging, or something else up their sleeve.
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Originally posted by Ronson View Post
If I was a bigwig Democratic strategist, I'd tell Kamala to "Wait until 2028 to run again. This 2024 election is a shambles and Democrats need a shoe-in at this stage to retain the White House, and Kamala isn't it. For the good of the party, refuse nomination."
I would just tell her to wait and then 25th Biden.
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