Robert Morris (the pervert, not the University)

[Diogenes]

Thanks

[whag]

After David was called out for his fling with Bathsheba, to my knowledge, he did not pursue any other married women.

As for the harmful spirit, the Bible says it tormented Saul, it did not possess him.

God doesn’t confront David on his polygamy but instead adultery and committing murder. The need for correction was when he had multiple wives and concubines. This was the way of the pagans.

David didn’t divorce the wives he had after intercoursing with Bathsheba.

[Mountain Man]

God doesn’t confront David on his polygamy but instead adultery and committing murder. The need for correction was when he had multiple wives and concubines. This was the way of the pagans.

David didn’t divorce the wives he had after intercoursing with Bathsheba.

In the Old Testament we see a certain tolerance for polygamy, and certainly God never directly condemns anyone for it, so I don't know why you expect him to suddenly make an exception and single David out. And where are you getting the idea that David divorced his other wives after his affair with Bathsheba?

At any rate, the point remains: When David was confronted by Nathaniel for adultery and murder, he didn't make excuses but repented on the spot.

[whag]

In the Old Testament we see a certain tolerance for polygamy, and certainly God never directly condemns anyone for it, so I don't know why you expect him to suddenly make an exception and single David out.

That’s not helping your argument. He killed Uzzah for a reflex action but looked the other way when David married many women.

And where are you getting the idea that David divorced his other wives after his affair with Bathsheba?

I said nothing of the sort. I said he never divorced after Bathsheba, so remained a filthy polygamist.

At any rate, the point remains: When David was confronted by Nathaniel for adultery and murder, he didn't make excuses but repented on the spot.

But remained a polygamist.

[Mountain Man]

That’s not helping your argument. He killed Uzzah for a reflex action but looked the other way when David married many women.


I said nothing of the sort. I said he never divorced after Bathsheba, so remained a filthy polygamist.


But remained a polygamist.

I'm just telling what the Bible says. Whether or not you think that helps my argument is of no concern to me.

[whag]

I'm just telling what the Bible says. Whether or not you think that helps my argument is of no concern to me.

No, rather I reminded you that God said nothing about David’s pre- and post-Bathsheba polygamy but killed a man trying to right the falling ark.

[Mountain Man]

No, rather I reminded you that God said nothing about David’s pre- and post-Bathsheba polygamy but killed a man trying to right the falling ark.

You might have a point if David was ever confronted about polygamy and refused to repent.

[whag]

You might have a point if David was ever confronted about polygamy and refused to repent.

How convenient that I can commit polygamy (or any other sin), but if God doesn’t notice, I’m in the clear.

[tabibito]

That’s not helping your argument. He killed Uzzah for a reflex action but looked the other way when David married many women.



I said nothing of the sort. I said he never divorced after Bathsheba, so remained a filthy polygamist.



But remained a polygamist.

So where is the problem? Nothing in Old Testament prohibits polygamy per se, and though the king (alone) was prohibited from marrying many wives (Deut 17:17), many isn't actually defined.

[ke7ejx]

How convenient that I can commit polygamy (or any other sin), but if God doesn’t notice, I’m in the clear.

Now you're just being pedantic.

[Roy]

In the Old Testament we see a certain tolerance for polygamy, ...

Yes, marriage should be one man, two women and their maids.

David didn’t divorce the wives he had after intercoursing with Bathsheba.

And where are you getting the idea that David divorced his other wives after his affair with Bathsheba?

Such staggering intellectual display.

[Mountain Man]

Now you're just being pedantic.

He debates simply for the sake of being contrary and not to reach any sort of understanding.

[whag]

He debates simply for the sake of being contrary and not to reach any sort of understanding.

It defies understanding that God ignored David’s remaining polygamous. You seem to be arguing that God looked the other way because of the context of pagan culture, meaning God had to rely on traditional forms of political alliance building and concubinage. That doesn’t hold water. He wouldn’t rely on pagan practices to accomplish his work.

Biblical accounts suggest that David had at least 19 sons from various wives and concubines, along with at least one named daughter, Tamar. Tolerance of this practice makes no sense given the gravity of having a brother from another mother. Things get dicey.

The disaster that David experienced of having multiple baby mamas and boys eager for positioning in the kingdom isn’t itself a condemnation, since God has no problem directly rebuking David when he’s mad about David’s lack of faith.

[whag]

Yes, marriage should be one man, two women and their maids.
Such staggering intellectual display.

The funny part here is he thinks I was arguing David divorced his wives following Bathsheba. Um, no, he kept them as wives.

So, too, his concubines. 2 Samuel 16:21-22 says Absalom had sex with his dad’s concubines, meaning David kept women after his marriage to Bathsheba.

If David’s rehabilitation for the Bathsheba incident was to swear off strange women and be a devoted monogamous husband and father, the text doesn’t convey that.

[Mountain Man]

It defies understanding that God ignored David’s remaining polygamous. You seem to be arguing that God looked the other way because of the context of pagan culture, meaning God had to rely on traditional forms of political alliance building and concubinage. That doesn’t hold water. He wouldn’t rely on pagan practices to accomplish his work.

Biblical accounts suggest that David had at least 19 sons from various wives and concubines, along with at least one named daughter, Tamar. Tolerance of this practice makes no sense given the gravity of having a brother from another mother. Things get dicey.

The disaster that David experienced of having multiple baby mamas and boys eager for positioning in the kingdom isn’t itself a condemnation, since God has no problem directly rebuking David when he’s mad about David’s lack of faith.

As I said, the Old Testament shows a certain tolerance for polygamy, although, as you correctly note, it's never shown in a good light, often leading to jealousy, strife, and in the case of David, bloody revolt when his son Absalom attempted to usurp the throne.

But none of that changes the fact that when David was confronted with his sin of adultery and murder, he immediately repented.