Israel Rescues Hostages Despite Biden Insistence They Leave Gaza

[Starlight]

Seeing as Jews have had Arabs in the Knesset since it was founded,

And you have a Black Friend.

Pointing out the fact of the situation doesn't make me "horrifically racist".

Making horrifically racist statements is what makes you horrifically racist.

In addition your statements are historically factually wrong about which side has been the bigger limitation on peace in the region. It's clearly Israel, not the Palestinians, that has been the ongoing preventer of peace in the region across the last 75 years. Israel has consistently never recognized a Palestinian state, even when Palestinians have recognized the state of Israel. And the settler faction within Israel wields significant power and is determined to keep stealing more Palestinian land. When one side is constantly determined to steal the land of the other side, peace is pretty hard. Israel has repeatedly waged major wars of aggression in the region.

[Diogenes]

Making horrifically racist statements is what makes you horrifically racist.

At no point have I made "horrifically racist statements".

even when Palestinians have recognized the state of Israel.

Citation please.

And the settler faction within Israel wields significant power and is determined to keep stealing more Palestinian land.

While the settlers are a problem and intentionally provoke the situation, the Arabs stole the land, if we're going to be historically accurate.

When one side is constantly determined to steal the land of the other side, peace is pretty hard. Israel has repeatedly waged major wars of aggression in the region.

It's strange you refuse to recognize the Arab desire to eradicate Israel.

[Cow Poke]

...It's strange you refuse to recognize the Arab desire to eradicate Israel.

Not really.

[Starlight]

At no point have I made "horrifically racist statements".

You quoted the horrifically racist statement by one of the psychopath Israeli PMs.

Citation please.

Arafat recognizing Israel:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/jun/19/israel
https://www.nytimes.com/1988/12/08/w...ed-israel.html
Wiki: "In 1993, PLO chairman Yasser Arafat recognized the State of Israel in an official letter to its prime minister, Yitzhak Rabin"

Rabin not recognizing Palestine:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/rabin-...om-1994-shows/
Wiki: a Palestinian 'entity' that was (in Rabin's words) "less than a state"

Rabin was assassinated by Israelis for his compromise in offering the Palestinians "less than a state". No other Israeli PM has ever come as close to offering the Palestinians anything close to statehood. Meanwhile, Israeli has consistently demanded that Palestinians recognize full Israeli statehood, while always refusing to recognize a Palestinian state in return.

While the settlers are a problem and intentionally provoke the situation, the Arabs stole the land, if we're going to be historically accurate.

The Arabs didn't steal the land, if you're referring to the Romans kicking out the Jews, that was the Romans' doing. I have no doubt that the Arabs currently living there can trace descent to those people who were on the land at that time but who weren't expelled by the Romans. Modern genetic studies seem to support that.

It's strange you refuse to recognize the Arab desire to eradicate Israel.

That's an ambiguous way of phrasing it, so I try to avoid the ambiguity.

The Palestinians, generally speaking, want a one-state solution, with both Jews and Arabs living co-equally.

The Israelis, generally speaking, want a one-state solution, with the Arabs gone or a small minority, and want a Jewish-supremacist, Apartheid, state.

The rest of the world, generally speaking, wants a two-state solution.

Israel, as it currently exists, is a Jewish-supremacist, Apartheid, state, with a small Arab minority.

The Israelis can achieve their goal through genocide or ethnic cleansing (e.g. forcing the Palestinians into Egypt) and stealing the Palestinian land. Hence the current 'war'. The Palestinians can achieve their goal if the political entity of Israel as it currently is, is disestablished or severely reformed, and a political entity of Israel-Palestine was created.

So, I would say it is true that: The Israelis want to eradicate the Palestinian people far more than the Palestines want to eradicate the Israeli people, but that both side want to eradicate the current political entity of the other side. Hence, when I see posters keeping wanting to talk about the Palestinian desire to eradicate Israel, I view that as an unhelpful propagandistic half-truth. If you were serious and had objectivity and balance you would be talking more about the Israeli desire to eradicate the Palestinians.

[Diogenes]

You quoted the horrifically racist statement by one of the psychopath Israeli PMs.

At no point have I quoted any "horrifically racist statement".

Arafat recognizing Israel:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/jun/19/israel
https://www.nytimes.com/1988/12/08/w...ed-israel.html
Wiki: "In 1993, PLO chairman Yasser Arafat recognized the State of Israel in an official letter to its prime minister, Yitzhak Rabin"

Rabin not recognizing Palestine:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/rabin-...om-1994-shows/
Wiki: a Palestinian 'entity' that was (in Rabin's words) "less than a state"

Rabin was assassinated by Israelis for his compromise in offering the Palestinians "less than a state". No other Israeli PM has ever come as close to offering the Palestinians anything close to statehood. Meanwhile, Israeli has consistently demanded that Palestinians recognize full Israeli statehood, while always refusing to recognize a Palestinian state in return.

It would seem the PLO has retracted it's recognition of Israel:

Speaking after the recent meeting of the Palestinian National Council (PNC), its deputy chairman, Ali Faisal, clarified that there is a binding Palestinian decision to "renounce… all agreements with Israel." He added that from the point of view of the Palestinian leadership, the Palestinians "have entered a path of resistance in all its forms" – a phrase that clearly includes the use of violence and terror.

https://www.israelhayom.com/2022/03/...doesnt-matter/

The Arabs didn't steal the land, if you're referring to the Romans kicking out the Jews, that was the Romans' doing.

How did the Arabs come to process the land?

I have no doubt that the Arabs currently living there can trace descent to those people who were on the land at that time but who weren't expelled by the Romans. Modern genetic studies seem to support that.

That's an ambiguous way of phrasing it, so I try to avoid the ambiguity.

Pointing out the desire of Hamas to eradicate Israel is hardly "ambiguous" especially as Hamas enjoys popular support.

The Palestinians, generally speaking, want a one-state solution, with both Jews and Arabs living co-equally.

Seeing as Hamas enjoys popular support, I doubt this.

The Israelis, generally speaking, want a one-state solution, with the Arabs gone or a small minority, and want a Jewish-supremacist, Apartheid, state.

Hamas wants a one-state solution with Jews being killed or expelled. It's hard to have an apartheid state while being represented in the Knesset.

The Israelis can achieve their goal through genocide or ethnic cleansing (e.g. forcing the Palestinians into Egypt) and stealing the Palestinian land. Hence the current 'war'.

There is no such things a distinct Palestinian ethnic group. They are Arabs in a specific geographic region, nothing more. The Palestinian identity is merely nascent one of regionalism as the Sick Man of Europe was in death throws.

The Palestinians can achieve their goal if the political entity of Israel as it currently is, is disestablished or severely reformed, and a political entity of Israel-Palestine was created.

So, I would say it is true that: The Israelis want to eradicate the Palestinian people far more than the Palestines want to eradicate the Israeli people, but that both side want to eradicate the current political entity of the other side. Hence, when I see posters keeping wanting to talk about the Palestinian desire to eradicate Israel, I view that as an unhelpful propagandistic half-truth. If you were serious and had objectivity and balance you would be talking more about the Israeli desire to eradicate the Palestinians.

If Israel was genocidal, they would being with the Arabs in their own county.

[Starlight]

It would seem the PLO has retracted it's recognition of Israel:

Yes. And fair enough: If Israel refuses a reciprocal recognition, why should they continue to give unilateral recognition toward Israel?

How did the Arabs come to process the land?

They were always there. As in, Arabs currently there, are direct descendants of people who have lived there for the last ~5000 years. Modern genetic studies seem to have confirmed that.

Pointing out the desire of Hamas to eradicate Israel is hardly "ambiguous"

It's ambiguous in what it means. Hamas means by it the destruction of the political entity of Israel.

Posters here who have drunk the propaganda kool-aid misuse the phrase to imply genocide. Even though Hamas is on the record explicitly denying a desire for genocide, and Israeli leadership is on the record explicitly endorsing their own desire to do a genocide. So it's pretty disingenuous to pretend it's the Palestinians who want to kill all the Israelis when factually speaking it's the other way around.

If Israel was genocidal, they would being with the Arabs in their own county.

They are pretty nasty to Arabs in their own country in quite a number of different ways.

[NorrinRadd]

I'm not asking exactly how many civilian casualties there were. I'm only asking if there were more than four.

No, the pressing question is: Did the IDF kill more innocent civilians than they rescued?

I'm not all surprised that you (and everyone else) are avoiding answering it.

I'm sure they did. Omelet.

[Sam]

I'm sure they did. Omelet.

If terrorists had captured a floor of New Yorkers on 9/11 instead of flying planes into the towers, would you consider US law enforcement killing 1000 other New Yorkers in the building in order to save 30 on that floor "making an omelet"?

-Sam