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Originally posted by Starlight View PostIs this your "black people are dumb and uneducated" theory of race?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostThe leaders who were slave owners, for the most part, never saw a problem with what they did so their legacy is different. I wouldn't say different in the sense that it undoes all the good they ever did but it is a mixed legacy to be sure.Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.
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Originally posted by demi-conservative View PostProg projecting racism of his again, surprise!!!
Pity you don't seem to understand my points."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostI am aware of the history behind it. It doesn't stop it being demeaning and insulting to black people today.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostI would say that its counting of black people as 3/5ths of a person is a more obvious example of one of the evils of the US constitution, and a good reason as to why the entire document should be burned and replaced from scratch with a new constitution. Unfortunately the US is currently strongly divided between the sane and the insane, so that's not possible in the current political climate.
The "three-fifths" clause has nothing to do with the idea that black slaves were being described as 3/5 of a white person or a statement about personhood. The North did not want to count slaves when it came to gaining representation in Congress since the South considered slaves to be property and would not benefit from an increase in representation. It was an anti-slavery measure the purpose of which was to limit the power of the slave-holding states.
As the Constitutional expert Robert Allen Goldwin put it
"The struggle that took place in the convention was between the Southern delegates trying to strengthen the constitutional supports for slavery and the Northern delegates trying to weaken them."
IOW, the goal of the Northern delegates was to dilute Southern voting strength so as to outlaw slavery by constitutional means. It had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the worth of a person but was designed to diminish the power of the pro-slavery Southern states.
So James Wilson of Pennsylvania, who was staunchly anti-slavery, came up with the 3/5 compromise where slaves would count as "three-fifths" of a person for the purpose of determining how many Congressmen they got.
Again from Goldwin:
If the slaves had been counted the slave-holding states would have held more seats in Congress than the free states. In 1793, the total count of representatives was 105. With a full representation for slavery, the slave states would have had 56, leaving the free states with 49. Thanks to the compromise they only got 47 seats instead and were in the minority.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostProjection much?
I am aware of the history behind it. It doesn't stop it being demeaning and insulting to black people today.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostWoeful ignorance on display
BTW, I don't agree with your implicit assumption that the historical facts surrounding that piece of the constitution necessarily ought to affect the way that African Americans today feel about their country's history of slavery and racism and their consequent feelings when they see that piece of the constitution speaking of their ancestors as being 3/5ths of a person, since the notion of slaves being 3/5ths of a person has become proverbial (and symbolically reflects the demeaning way that blacks were historically treated in America, even if the '3/5ths' thing itself was pro-black at the time).Last edited by Starlight; 08-18-2017, 04:18 AM."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostYep. Your ignorance of the fact that other people have studied history too is on full display.
Originally posted by Starlight View PostI would say that its counting of black people as 3/5ths of a person is a more obvious example of one of the evils of the US constitution, and a good reason as to why the entire document should be burned and replaced from scratch with a new constitution.
And you wonder why people point and laugh at you when you start trying to tell us about the U.S.
Originally posted by Starlight View PostBTW, I don't agree with your implicit assumption that the historical facts surrounding that piece of the constitution necessarily ought to affect the way that African Americans today feel about their country's history of slavery and racism and their consequent feelings when they see that piece of the constitution speaking of their ancestors as being 3/5ths of a person, since the notion of slaves being 3/5ths of a person has become proverbial (and symbolically reflects the demeaning way that blacks were historically treated in America, even if the '3/5ths' thing itself was pro-black at the time).
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThat obviously does not include yourself or you would have never made the idiotic claim like
And you wonder why people point and laugh at you when you start trying to tell us about the U.S.
So you think we should just make up something and then get upset over that?"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostYep. Your ignorance of the fact that other people have studied history too is on full display.
BTW, I don't agree with your implicit assumption that the historical facts surrounding that piece of the constitution necessarily ought to affect the way that African Americans today feel about their country's history of slavery and racism and their consequent feelings when they see that piece of the constitution speaking of their ancestors as being 3/5ths of a person, since the notion of slaves being 3/5ths of a person has become proverbial (and symbolically reflects the demeaning way that blacks were historically treated in America, even if the '3/5ths' thing itself was pro-black at the time).
The slave trade in Africa and the Middle East existed long before European involvement, and continues until now - pretty much unabated. Meanwhile, European based cultures have realised that slavery is unacceptable, and have abandoned the practice. So - no moral high ground historically for anyone. How should modern day Americans of African ancestry feel about their ancestors being sold as slaves by Africans and to Europeans and Americans?1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Dimbulb View PostYep. Your ignorance of the fact that other people have studied history too is on full display.
BTW, I don't agree with your implicit assumption that the historical facts surrounding that piece of the constitution necessarily ought to affect the way that African Americans today feel about their country's history of slavery and racism and their consequent feelings when they see that piece of the constitution speaking of their ancestors as being 3/5ths of a person, since the notion of slaves being 3/5ths of a person has become proverbial (and symbolically reflects the demeaning way that blacks were historically treated in America, even if the '3/5ths' thing itself was pro-black at the time).
To put it another way, without the three-fifths compromise, there would never have been an Emancipation Proclamation.
But, no, you just want to self-righteously beat your chest while crowing your ignorance for all to hear.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
The slave trade in Africa and the Middle East existed long before European involvement, and continues until now - pretty much unabated. Meanwhile, European based cultures have realised that slavery is unacceptable, and have abandoned the practice. So - no moral high ground historically for anyone. How should modern day Americans of African ancestry feel about their ancestors being sold as slaves by Africans and to Europeans and Americans?
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostProjection much?
Originally posted by Starlight View PostIt's standard conservative projection.Originally posted by Starlight View Post
Quite a lot of projection you've got going there.Originally posted by Starlight View PostIt's projection. The conservatives....Originally posted by StarlightYour silly rant full of projection...Originally posted by Starlight View PostYou people are so full of projection it's hilarious.Originally posted by Starlight View Post...As usual with conservatives it's projection all the way.Originally posted by Starlight View PostIt seems to be projection all the way down with Trump.Originally posted by Starlight View Post... so he does a loooot of projection in this forum by accusing other people's morality of being arbitrary.Originally posted by Starlight View Post...they tend toward being (a) not very smart, (b) very emotional, (c) having a strong tendency towards projection...Originally posted by StarlightIs this psychological projection ...Originally posted by Starlight...you guys use this response as projection...Originally posted by Starlight View PostProjection at its finest methinks.Originally posted by Starlight View PostAs a reminder of the level of hypocrisy and projection ....Originally posted by Starlight View PostMore than a little bit of projection here, methinks.Originally posted by Starlight View Post... Basically it's mostly projection -....Originally posted by Starlight View PostProjection.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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