White Supremacists protest at UVA

[Adrift]

There's a big difference between 'can be' and 'is', and an even bigger difference between 'can be' and 'is automatically'. I have no problem agreeing that 'black pride' can be racist. But that doesn't mean it's automatically racist.

That may be true, but then that's something you'll need to debate with seer, not me. I'm just providing seer's reasoning as you requested. His point was crystal clear to me, even if I'm not necessarily on board with it.

Lots of people debate/discuss by pointing out consequences or corollaries of their statements. Very few discuss/debate by asking people if they agree with the opposite of what they've just said.

Pointing out the consequence/corollary of your statement was precisely what seer was doing. If you can't see that after I've detailed it point by point, I don't know what else to tell you. I've given you all the help I can give you. Good luck.

[Adrift]

Are you daft Tass? There is not a conservative on this board that supports Nazis or the KKK

I don't know about that. I think there are a few people on this forum who support the actions of Nazis and the KKK, if not explicitly at least implicitly.

[seer]

I don't know about that. I think there are a few people on this forum who support the actions of Nazis and the KKK, if not explicitly at least implicitly.

Depends on what you think they support. I'm on board with not destroying these statues, and I'm tired of the white privilege thing, but I don't think anyone here believes that blacks or Jews are inherently inferior.

[Adrift]

I don't think anyone here believes that blacks or Jews are inherently inferior.

I think there probably are.

[seer]

I think there probably are.

OK, I haven't got that vibe...

[Darth Executor]

A prime example of the victor rewriting history.

Are you claiming Japan didn't attack the US?

[Darth Executor]

Why do you think liberals have the most power?

Because they can engage in criminal violence with the entire media establishment (and subservient conservatives) defending them. Because they can intimidate entire states into abandoning the results of democratic referendums through corporate threats and judicial activism. Because they control nearly the entire mainstream media, virtually all of academia and most corporations have decided to ally with them.

Can you give examples of the oppression of white people?

OTHER white people, not white people in general. And university admissions, for starters.

I'd try to pull a link but google has really turned into a garbage search engine lately. They prioritize recent news stories by MSM outlets over anything else which makes it almost impossible for me to find anything if there's been any recent news vaguely related to the subject.

[Mountain Man]

I'd try to pull a link but google has really turned into a garbage search engine lately. They prioritize recent news stories by MSM outlets over anything else which makes it almost impossible for me to find anything if there's been any recent news vaguely related to the subject.

That's why I started using DuckDuckGo.

[tabibito]

Are you claiming Japan didn't attack the US?

Oh - Japan attacked America true enough - just like one school child attacks another that has been kicking him in the shins at every opportunity for the past month or so. (or, in the case of Japan/America, 80 years near about.)

[seer]

Oh - Japan attacked America true enough - just like one school child attacks another that has been kicking him in the shins at every opportunity for the past month or so. (or, in the case of Japan/America, 80 years near about.)

What are you talking about?

[tabibito]

What are you talking about?

Source: How U.S. Economic Warfare Provoked Japan�s Attack on Pearl Harbor

Roosevelt hoped that such sanctions would goad the Japanese into making a rash mistake by launching a war against the United States, which would bring in Germany because Japan and Germany were allied.

Accordingly, the Roosevelt administration, while curtly dismissing Japanese diplomatic overtures to harmonize relations, imposed a series of increasingly stringent economic sanctions on Japan. In 1939 the United States terminated the 1911 commercial treatyJuly 2, 1940, Roosevelt signed the Export Control Act, authorizing the President to license or prohibit the export of essential defense materialsJuly 31, exports of aviation motor fuels and lubricants and No. 1 heavy melting iron and steel scrap were restrictedBritish and the Dutch followed suit, embargoing exports to Japan from their colonies in southeast Asia.

© Copyright Original Source

That was just the final act in a series that began during the 1860s.

[seer]

Source: How U.S. Economic Warfare Provoked Japan�s Attack on Pearl Harbor

Roosevelt hoped that such sanctions would goad the Japanese into making a rash mistake by launching a war against the United States, which would bring in Germany because Japan and Germany were allied.

Accordingly, the Roosevelt administration, while curtly dismissing Japanese diplomatic overtures to harmonize relations, imposed a series of increasingly stringent economic sanctions on Japan. In 1939 the United States terminated the 1911 commercial treatyJuly 2, 1940, Roosevelt signed the Export Control Act, authorizing the President to license or prohibit the export of essential defense materialsJuly 31, exports of aviation motor fuels and lubricants and No. 1 heavy melting iron and steel scrap were restrictedBritish and the Dutch followed suit, embargoing exports to Japan from their colonies in southeast Asia.

© Copyright Original Source

That was just the final act in a series that began during the 1860s.

These measures happened after Japan began its brutal expansion, did you forget things like the rape of Nanking?

https://worldview.stratfor.com/image...sion-1931-1942

https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.CHAP3.HTM

[tabibito]

These measures happened after Japan began its brutal expansion, did you forget things like the rape of Nanking?

https://worldview.stratfor.com/image...sion-1931-1942

https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.CHAP3.HTM

No - I haven't forgotten about the "Rape of Nanking" - (1937, 6 weeks of horrific atrocities) nor have I forgotten the efforts of the Japanese Government to bring it to a stop, nor yet the general who DID bring it to a halt. However, neither have I forgotten the earlier history ... as in the Japanese Imperial edict that prohibited Japanese construction of ocean going ships and the reasons behind that edict, introduced during the 1600s and continuing until the 1860s. The annexation by Japan of Ainu (native to Japan) lands in the 1890s at the behest of American "advisors." Nor the war crimes committed against (deliberately and selectively targeted) Japanese civilian populations by firebombing in cities throughout Japan during the war. Nor yet do I forget that Japan learnt the proper ways to deal with conquered peoples by studying the actions of American and European nations toward the native populations in Australia, India, South Africa, and of course the Americas (among other places).

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Nor am I gulled into thinking that Nanking had anything to do with American and British Empire actions with regard to Japan - the hostilities (cold war-ish) began before 1920.

[seer]

No - I haven't forgotten about the "Rape of Nanking" - (1937, 6 weeks of horrific atrocities) nor have I forgotten the efforts of the Japanese Government to bring it to a stop, nor yet the general who DID bring it to a halt. However, neither have I forgotten the earlier history ... as in the Japanese Imperial edict that prohibited Japanese construction of ocean going ships and the reasons behind that edict, introduced during the 1600s and continuing until the 1860s. The annexation by Japan of Ainu (native to Japan) lands in the 1890s at the behest of American "advisors." Nor the war crimes committed against (deliberately and selectively targeted) Japanese civilian populations by firebombing in cities throughout Japan during the war. Nor yet do I forget that Japan learnt the proper ways to deal with conquered peoples by studying the actions of American and European nations toward the native populations in Australia, India, South Africa, and of course the Americas (among other places).

ETA
Nor am I gulled into thinking that Nanking had anything to do with American and British Empire actions with regard to Japan - the hostilities (cold war-ish) began before 1920.

Nonsense, what the Roosevelt administration did was in direct response to what Japan was doing at the time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Events...n_Pearl_Harbor

[Sparko]

Why wouldn't he be able to be?

If there are no races then you can't have racists. You have to choose one or the other. If you want racism, you have to admit there are races for people to discriminate against. If you don't have races then you can't have racism.