Off With The Catholic's Head...

[tabibito]

So basically Down Under Yodeling.

Most commonly used when people get lost, both by searchers and the lost. So - not within coo-ee = not within shouting range.

[Sparko]

Most commonly used when people get lost, both by searchers and the lost. So - not within coo-ee = not within shouting range.

That's similar to the way we call OBP when he wanders off.

[One Bad Pig]

The speech is something of a mixed bag, but nothing in it comes within coo-ee of being misogynistic.

if we are going to be men and women for this time in history, we need to stop pretending that the 'church of nice' is a winning proposition.

Excellent point.

Yeah, that'll be more or less universal.

It is not prudent as the laity for us to consume ourselves in becoming amateur theologians so that we can decipher this or that theological teaching

Dreadful point.

Protestants can be expected to, well, protest this point. For one who has to stretch to be sorta within the penumbra of orthodoxy, doubly so.

Amateur theologians are how we ended up with a plethora of churches teaching their own thing.

*studiously ignores the pig calls, since OBP was already here to begin with*

[tabibito]

Yeah, that'll be more or less universal.

Protestants can be expected to, well, protest this point. For one who has to stretch to be sorta within the penumbra of orthodoxy, doubly so.

Amateur theologians are how we ended up with a plethora of churches teaching their own thing.

*studiously ignores the pig calls, since OBP was already here to begin with*

It wasn't amateur theologians who generated the schism between the Eastern and Western churches, and as Rome is fond of pointing out, schism breeds schism - which would leave the Eastern Churches with the moral high ground I suppose.
Looking at what has been coming out of the Vatican and the Russian Orthodox Church, along with the plethora of conflicting stories emanating from various professional theologians, it doesn't seem that amateurs are doing a worse job of evaluating scripture than the professionals. It doesn't even seem possible that there is room for amateurs to do a worse job.

[rogue06]

It wasn't amateur theologians who generated the schism between the Eastern and Western churches, and as Rome is fond of pointing out, schism breeds schism - which would leave the Eastern Churches with the moral high ground I suppose.
Looking at what has been coming out of the Vatican and the Russian Orthodox Church, along with the plethora of conflicting stories emanating from various professional theologians, it doesn't seem that amateurs are doing a worse job of evaluating scripture than the professionals. It doesn't even seem possible that there is room for amateurs to do a worse job.

That's akin to a challenge in some places. You're just begging for someone to say "Hold my beer..."

[NorrinRadd]

Coo-ee? That's how they call the pigs in?

no, wait, that's "soo-ee!"

In Johnstown, PA, it's "Here, pig pig pig pig pig wutz wutz wutz!"

At least that's what my dad and granddad told me.

[Diogenes]

Ok, gotta ask: What disagreements with egalitarians?

Women clergy for starters. Deacons are fine, elders and pastors/priests are a hard pass.

ETA: Being over children's ministers (eg) isn't a "pastor". The word is way too overused.

Also, women are better suited to be in the home and read children, though that shouldn't be considered to mean women HAVE to stay in the domestic sphere.

[tabibito]

Ok, gotta ask: What disagreements with egalitarians?

ったく ... You just had to ask, didn't you?

[Diogenes]

The speech is something of a mixed bag, but nothing in it comes within coo-ee of being misogynistic.

You have to remember that anything short of affirming abortion celebrating girl bosses is "misogynistic".

It is not prudent as the laity for us to consume ourselves in becoming amateur theologians so that we can decipher this or that theological teaching

Dreadful point.

Laughs in sedevacantism.

[One Bad Pig]

It wasn't amateur theologians who generated the schism between the Eastern and Western churches, and as Rome is fond of pointing out, schism breeds schism - which would leave the Eastern Churches with the moral high ground I suppose.

That was more politics than amateur theology. Charlemagne played a significant role in getting the filioque adopted.

Looking at what has been coming out of the Vatican and the Russian Orthodox Church, along with the plethora of conflicting stories emanating from various professional theologians, it doesn't seem that amateurs are doing a worse job of evaluating scripture than the professionals. It doesn't even seem possible that there is room for amateurs to do a worse job.

One guy as the supreme arbiter of theology is not exactly an ideal model; if the wrong guy is elected pope, you get what we have here.

I'm not sure what theology you're referencing coming out of the ROC. There's plenty of bad politics involved, with a heavy dose of misplaced nationalism (Russkiy mir).

[rogue06]

That was more politics than amateur theology. Charlemagne played a significant role in getting the filioque adopted.

One guy as the supreme arbiter of theology is not exactly an ideal model; if the wrong guy is elected pope, you get what we have here.

I'm not sure what theology you're referencing coming out of the ROC. There's plenty of bad politics involved, with a heavy dose of misplaced nationalism (Russkiy mir).

The important role Charlemagne played in all of this seems to get left out of many discussions.

[tabibito]

The important role Charlemagne played in all of this seems to get left out of many discussions.

It might be said that the early church took doctrine out of the hands of theologians and consigned it to recent converts, and vesting the final say with a man who barely qualified as a recent convert (if even that little could be considered accurate).

[rogue06]

It might be said that the early church took doctrine out of the hands of theologians and consigned it to recent converts, and vesting the final say with a man who barely qualified as a recent convert (if even that little could be considered accurate).

At least FWICT, while it could be argued that Charlemagne wasn't much of a Christian, he had at least considered himself one long before he got Theodulf of Orléans to pen De Spiritu Sancto ("Concerning the Holy Spirit"). He came from a Christian family and, although he had a nasty habit of converting by the sword (ask the Saxons), he did appear to take his role as defender and supporter of the church pretty seriously.

[NorrinRadd]

ったく ... You just had to ask, didn't you?

I must ruefully confess there are certain topics that "itch" me, and I usually can't resist "picking the scab."

[NorrinRadd]

Women clergy for starters. Deacons are fine, elders and pastors/priests are a hard pass.

ETA: Being over children's ministers (eg) isn't a "pastor". The word is way too overused.

Also, women are better suited to be in the home and read children, though that shouldn't be considered to mean women HAVE to stay in the domestic sphere.

Ok. As is clear from my multi-line sig, I disagree. I won't pursue it further here. I'm always willing to discuss/debate the topic, but I've been doing plenty of that on YouTube and Facebook. And debating *anything* online in any depth is challenging right now. Hit my data cap and my speed is throttled from 5G down to 2G until early next month.