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Last edited by carpedm9587; 05-16-2024, 08:37 PM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
Everything we believe is a “belief system,” Seer. So is it your position, “anything that any religion in America objects to should be eliminated from the school curriculum?” It’s a simple yes/no question.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
You have been assimilated.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
If there is no practical way to achieve that, all public schools should be eliminated.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by seer View Post
There is no need to force kids to read "The Pride Puppy," "Uncle Bobby's Wedding" and "Born Ready: The True Story of a Boy Named Penelope." Maybe we should force the kids to read the Bilbe, the Torah and the Koran.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
Yes, it contained that. No, I don’t do “codes.” I take things at face value, generally. Yes, I am familiar with critical theory in general. My comment about “alignment” referred to the rest of your explanation, specifically the “Marxist” component.
I have no problem with critical theory in general. I have never read anything about it that gives me cause for concern.P1) If, then I win.
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Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
Then you are not familiar with critical theory.
Seeing as you're ignorant of it, that doesn't say much. I should point out that I'm not coming from a Christian view and there are atheists who are quite concerned about critical theory.
As for “roots in Marxism,” I don’t subscribe to “bogeyman thinking.” The words Marxism, Communism , Socialism, Capitalism, and all the rest are branches of philosophical and economic thinking. I have yet to encounter a branch of philosophy or science or economics that was devoid of value. Even theologies have value. The key is sorting the chaff from the wheat in any given branch.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
Perhaps I am not familiar with the brand you appear to have … umm… developed? Critical theory cuts across multiple aspects of society to achieve a common purpose: understand systems and structures that are unjust and expose them, whether in law, education, healthcare, or any other aspect of society. I find it to be a refreshing approach that promises much and hope the coming generations learn how to apply such skills to their world and their work.
As for “roots in Marxism,” I don’t subscribe to “bogeyman thinking.” The words Marxism, Communism , Socialism, Capitalism, and all the rest are branches of philosophical and economic thinking. I have yet to encounter a branch of philosophy or science or economics that was devoid of value. Even theologies have value. The key is sorting the chaff from the wheat in any given branch.
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Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
If you want, you can view the old Cultural Marxism Wiki page
https://web.archive.org/web/20140519...ltural_Marxism
Old SEP
Critical Theory has a narrow and a broad meaning in philosophy and in the history of the social sciences. “Critical Theory” in the narrow sense designates several generations of German philosophers and social theorists in the Western European Marxist tradition known as the Frankfurt School.
Edited SEP
“Critical theory” refers to a family of theories that aim at a critique and transformation of society by integrating normative perspectives with empirically informed analysis of society’s conflicts, contradictions, and tendencies. In a narrow sense, “Critical Theory” (often denoted with capital letters) refers to the work of several generations of philosophers and social theorists in the Western European Marxist tradition known as the Frankfurt School.
Apparently the SEP is now a peddler of anti-Semitic conspiracy theories.
Also, which "neo-Nazi" positions do I hold?Last edited by Diogenes; 05-16-2024, 08:59 PM.P1) If, then I win.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
How did you come to THAT conclusion from what I said?
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
Unfortunately for your argument, it’s not “the same.” Children are exposed to hundreds of books in school. Some are read to them. Some they read. Some are simply available on the shelves in classrooms and libraries for free selection. There is a world of difference between “forced” and “exposed to.”
And the lawsuit was about “religious liberty,” and you have not made the case that any religious liberties were transgressed. So I’m still not seeing the problem with the judicial decision.
Maryland’s largest school district does not have to allow parents to opt their K-5 children out of classes and books that discuss LGBTQ topics like sexuality and gender, at least for now, a federal appeals court ruled on Wednesday.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Diogenes View PostSo the SEP that I quoted earlier in the thread to Star is subscribed to "bogeyman thinking"? It's nice to the SEP being thrown under the bus.
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ETA: Don't feel bad, Star once threw UC Berkeley under the bus.
Second, you aren't quoting Berkeley, you're quoting Wikipedia. While a good starting point for some discussions, not an authoritative source.
Third, I have no idea why you think the distinction between the old and new pages is relevant. They both link CT to roots in Marxism.
Fourth, I have not idea why "roots in Marxism" is somehow bad. You appear to be engaging in the genetic fallacy.
Finally, the world is replete with good things that had dubious roots. The roots of something provides historical perspective; it does not tell us if the thing is good or bad in and of itself. It may ping our radar and make us look more closely, but it doesn't prove that a hing is good or ill. That is only done by looking at the thing itself. By way of example, the roots of modern gynecology trace to horrific experiments on black women. That horrendous beginning does not mean we should be tossing out all of gynecology. Similar things arose from Nazi experiments, U.S. military experiments, and most philosophical disciplines.
I look at CT (and its various branches) and see a discipline that encourages examining social and legal frameworks for vestiges of injustice and exposing them. Setting aside the words you appear to hate, how can "examining social and legal frameworks for vestiges of injustice and exposing them" be seen as a bad thing?The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by seer View PostYou said you like the Gender Bread Person. That picture contains a clear lie. There are three symbols for sex - there are not three sexes.
The symbol on the GenderBread man is correct, though I would have preferred, though it could be misleading to some (i.e., the size of the symbols is the same, but the hermaphrodite population is substantially smaller. On the other hand, a smaller logo can also be interpreted to suggest "lesser significance/importance" rather than "smaller population," which is probably why they are the same size).
There is no lle here, and I do not condone lying.Last edited by carpedm9587; 05-17-2024, 06:19 AM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
I have to admit that I was not familiar with the term. Looking it up, I found: "Critical pedagogy is an educational philosophy that encourages students to think critically and question the information they receive. It's based on critical theory and challenges traditional educational systems for empowerment and social justice. Critical pedagogy encourages students to explore their surroundings and the status quo, and examine power structures, patterns of inequality, and oppressive acts. For example, instead of just accepting the information in a textbook, students should be encouraged to conduct their own research and read alternative narratives."
I'm trying to find something to object to in this, and I cannot see it. What exactly is the objection to critical pedagogy?
'Twas ever thus."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by seer View PostI don't care about the religious argument, I care about LGBTQ IDEOLOGY being forced on young children.
Originally posted by seer View PostShould not the school then offer a course, with no opt out, explaining why many cultures and peoples,and religions find these behaviors abhorrent and immoral? Would you be supporting that?
Originally posted by seer View PostAnd it is not just about books on the shelves - that has nothing to do with the opt out policy. It is about what is going on the the class room. Again from the link:
No. If you want to affect curriculum, go to a school board meeting. Expect to be resisted by all of us parents who do not share your particular prejudices. If you lose in that venue, accept that you live in a democracy and work to change the culture, take your child to a different school, or find a different place to live.Last edited by carpedm9587; 05-17-2024, 06:37 AM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
First, I have no idea what "SEP" refers to.
Second, you aren't quoting Berkeley, you're quoting Wikipedia. While a good starting point for some discussions, not an authoritative source.
Third, I have no idea why you think the distinction between the old and new pages is relevant. They both link CT to roots in Marxism.
Fourth, I have not idea why "roots in Marxism" is somehow bad. You appear to be engaging in the genetic fallacy.
Finally, the world is replete with good things that had dubious roots. The roots of something provides historical perspective; it does not tell us if the thing is good or bad in and of itself. It may ping our radar and make us look more closely, but it doesn't prove that a hing is good or ill. That is only done by looking at the thing itself. By way of example, the roots of modern gynecology trace to horrific experiments on black women. That horrendous beginning does not mean we should be tossing out all of gynecology. Similar things arose from Nazi experiments, U.S. military experiments, and most philosophical disciplines.
I look at CT (and its various branches) and see a discipline that encourages examining social and legal frameworks for vestiges of injustice and exposing them. Setting aside the words you appear to hate, how can "examining social and legal frameworks for vestiges of injustice and exposing them" be seen as a bad thing?
You appear to be easily duped by linguistics niceties.
Last edited by Diogenes; 05-17-2024, 06:48 AM.P1) If, then I win.
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C) I win.
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