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Originally posted by JimL View PostSeems you're making a semantic argument Tea. Whats your point?
Originally posted by Jim..., they had a choice to make Tea, and it was they that made it. And sin is not a thing in itself that can enter the world, or humanity, as if it existed itself apart from them."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by JimL View PostOf course they are perfectly natural actions, how else would you describe them, supernatural?"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostOf course. Absolutely no one here is confused about that.
His argument was assuming the Christian perspective because you sardonically asked about the Christian perspective assuming (for your argument's sake) that Adam and Eve were real. I really don't understand why you guys are making this so much more complicated than it really is. You're acting as though you've never interacted with anyone in this way before. Seeing as I don't think you're an absolute idiot, the only reason I can think of that you're making a fuss over it is that you just enjoy being contrary.
And even if seer wasn't speaking on the Christian perspective because you were hypothetically taking the Christian perspective first, what's wrong with a Christian telling an atheist that it's his responsibility to find Jesus (the cure)? If, using Roy's example, a person told me that it's my responsibility to not get eaten by a giant mutant star-goat, I might not agree with that person, but I would not find it irrelevant to the conversation if I were discussing mutant star-goats to begin with. Obviously that person believes that mutant star-goats can eat people, and he sincerely believes I can be eaten by them, even if I do not accept his belief. Perhaps his warning will get me thinking, and perhaps one day I too will be a believer in the mutant star-goat thanks to his warning.
Jim routinely makes the social construct argument so I doubt he would have missed Seer's point if Roy hadn't."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo, I didn't say that it was horrible or unfair, I said that it was a ridiculous notion, which it is. Sin is not a disease okay, it's a not contagious entity. What ever happened to your notion of free will? Stop blaming Adam.
Adam opened the door - that's what he gets blamed for. Walking through the door - that's on the individual."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostImpartation is very, very, very different from entry. Sin entering the world through the sin of Adam is VERY different from everyone being guilty of that sin.
Sure it is - computers exist only because they were initially conceptualized - a machine capable of doing things only a human mind had ever done before (calculations, to start with). Without the concept there can be no creation. Sin is no different - prior to the Fall, there simply wasn't the inclination.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostSin is not a thing in itself Tea, it is not a thing that enters the world. If you believe it is, then please define what sin is in and of itself.
Oh good, then define for me exactly what sin is in and of itself."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostNo it doesn't.
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