What happens next?

[eider]

They do not care. They are saved and believe once saved always saved. Hence they believe they will all be going to heaven regardless.

A lovely Christian lady told me yesterday that 'they' are not saved just because they believe. She said that they need to live how Jesus said and did, and they mostly don't!

Heaven? If there is one and they get there then they'll mess that up too!

[eider]

We have had liberal Christians on staff, and we have no problem with liberal or conservative atheists (we get along fine with CivilDiscourse for example). In fact we have no problem with you, a liberal atheist. Didn't we all get along in your scooter thread?
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You get along fine when it suits you.

And I'm neither an atheist not a liberal.

[Cow Poke]

A lovely Christian lady told me yesterday that 'they' are not saved just because they believe....

You are free to believe "a [judgmental] lovely Christian lady" - I'll believe the Word of God.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

I suspect you had to look that one up.

I've seen Stagecoach, Destry Rides Again, and Calamity Jane! amongst various others.

Wasn't referring to that.

I was.

[Starlight]

A lovely Christian lady told me yesterday that 'they' are not saved just because they believe. She said that they need to live how Jesus said and did, and they mostly don't!

That's what I think the bible teaches.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

A lovely Christian lady told me yesterday that 'they' are not saved just because they believe. She said that they need to live how Jesus said and did, and they mostly don't!

Heaven? If there is one and they get there then they'll mess that up too!

Some of these Christians, not perhaps on these boards, believe they can take their cars with them! Perhaps they believe their deity has celestial oil fields. And that the comment about many mansions is literal and they will have their own personal mansion complete with pool.

Heaven as a glorified version of life on earth with all its material trappings. It does have a hint of ancient Egyptian beliefs.

[tabibito]

A lovely Christian lady told me yesterday that 'they' are not saved just because they believe. She said that they need to live how Jesus said and did, and they mostly don't!

Hers is the Biblical teaching. For obvious reasons, it is not the flavour of the month.

[Starlight]

Hers is the Biblical teaching. For obvious reasons, it is not the flavour of the month.

Indeed, it's a lot easier to rest on someone else's laurels (Jesus's) and be the Pharisee praying loudly on the street-corner about one's own imputed righteousness and condemning the sinners, than it is to actually strive toward humility, kindness, love and godliness. It's easy to see why "you don't have to do anything, Jesus has done it all for you" is such a popular perversion of biblical teaching.

[Sparko]

Some of these Christians, not perhaps on these boards, believe they can take their cars with them! Perhaps they believe their deity has celestial oil fields. And that the comment about many mansions is literal and they will have their own personal mansion complete with pool.

Heaven as a glorified version of life on earth with all its material trappings. It does have a hint of ancient Egyptian beliefs.

Actually, the ultimate destination for man is to live eternally on the new Earth and Heaven will be on Earth. So while you can't bring your car with you, we will be in physical bodies on a physical Earth in a physical universe, and will most likely have and develop technology and vehicles, etc.

So even though you were trying to be mocking, you were actually pretty close to the truth.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Actually, the ultimate destination for man is to live eternally on the new Earth and Heaven will be on Earth. So while you can't bring your car with you, we will be in physical bodies on a physical Earth in a physical universe, and will most likely have and develop technology and vehicles, etc.

So even though you were trying to be mocking, you were actually pretty close to the truth.

Where is that explicitly mentioned in any NT text? What does Paul say about it?

And will you have your ushabti figures or will you do your own work in the fields of Osiris?

[Sparko]

Where is that explicitly mentioned in any NT text? What does Paul say about it?

I thought you said you read the bible?

Just skip to the end.

[Cow Poke]

Indeed, it's a lot easier to rest on someone else's laurels (Jesus's) and be the Pharisee praying loudly on the street-corner about one's own imputed righteousness and condemning the sinners, than it is to actually strive toward humility, kindness, love and godliness. It's easy to see why "you don't have to do anything, Jesus has done it all for you" is such a popular perversion of biblical teaching.

Ya know, it's really ironic that somebody who flunked out of Christianity is trying to tell the rest of us how to do it right.

[Diogenes]

A lovely Christian lady told me yesterday that 'they' are not saved just because they believe. She said that they need to live how Jesus said and did, and they mostly don't!

Heaven? If there is one and they get there then they'll mess that up too!

Probably one of the thorniest sayings of Jesus is "sin no more" where more liberal churches and denominations are affirming sins that are more in the cultural zeitgeist.


And the Christian lady needs to learn that salvation is of faith, not works.

[Cow Poke]

So, lemme address this little pile of poo....

Indeed, it's a lot easier to rest on someone else's laurels (Jesus's)

It's not an "either / or" - it's a both. We rest in the Saving Power of Jesus, while serving him BECAUSE we are saved.

and be the Pharisee praying loudly on the street-corner about one's own imputed righteousness

Ya got somebody in mind? Then spit it out.

and condemning the sinners,

It is the sin that needs to be condemned, but the world loves the false preaching of the likes of Joel Osteen.

than it is to actually strive toward humility, kindness, love and godliness.

Perhaps that's why you flunked out? Because you couldn't live up to this, and you thought this is how you "earn" Salvation?

It's easy to see why "you don't have to do anything, Jesus has done it all for you" is such a popular perversion of biblical teaching.

You've really had some horrible teaching -- we serve because we are saved, not so that we can be saved.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

I thought you said you read the bible?

Just skip to the end.

Book of Revelation? That happy hunting ground for mystics and eccentrics? It is rather odd that no other NT text deals with that author's fancies.