Trump: No Transgenders In The Military!

[lilpixieofterror]

So why generalize? Why not rely on the recruitment process to screen any particular person who may not be cut out for service? It sounds like you don't think the people responsible for recruitment can do their job.

Beyond the expense of individual test? Beyond there's no way of truly knowing how one will react to a stressor until they are actually there? Or the fact that you don't always have access to drugs or medical equipment when deployed to some God forsaken hole, far from civilization? Ever camped out in tents for 6 months? I have and you sure don't want someone needing hormones in the middle of the sand hill I was at, hours from a hospital, even by jet aircraft. The military isn't the place for social experinents, it's a place dedicated to defending the US. You want social justice experiments? Start a company and do it on your own dime.

[JimL]

Beyond the expense of individual test? Beyond there's no way of truly knowing how one will react to a stressor until they are actually there? Or the fact that you don't always have access to drugs or medical equipment when deployed to some God forsaken hole, far from civilization? Ever camped out in tents for 6 months? I have and you sure don't want someone needing hormones in the middle of the sand hill I was at, hours from a hospital, even by jet aircraft. The military isn't the place for social experinents, it's a place dedicated to defending the US. You want social justice experiments? Start a company and do it on your own dime.

Yeah, you conservatives used to say the same thing about women like yourself serving in the military. They were wrong, as usual!

[Starlight]

Yeah, you conservatives used to say the same thing about women like yourself serving in the military. They were wrong, as usual!

Dunno. I wouldn't want someone like LPOT serving in my military.

[Tassman]

Not that you've bothered to actually prove this assertion.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbo...on97_text.html

This is in relation to homosexuality, not specifically to transgenders. But the same applies in that such an attitude is contrary to the guidelines for transgender-affirmative care issued by the APA.

[Roy]

He never even consulted with the military...

"After consultation with my Generals and military experts, ...

Trump tweeted it so it must be true!

[Starlight]

Trump said it so it must be true!

He's Making Lying Great Again! That's his slogan, right?

Pentagon appears to confirm Trump lied about consulting generals on bigoted ban

[Psychic Missile]

Beyond the expense of individual test? Beyond there's no way of truly knowing how one will react to a stressor until they are actually there? Or the fact that you don't always have access to drugs or medical equipment when deployed to some God forsaken hole, far from civilization? Ever camped out in tents for 6 months? I have and you sure don't want someone needing hormones in the middle of the sand hill I was at, hours from a hospital, even by jet aircraft. The military isn't the place for social experinents, it's a place dedicated to defending the US. You want social justice experiments? Start a company and do it on your own dime.

First, black people in the military was a "social experiment". Women in the military was a "social experiment". Gay people in the military was a "social experiment". These weren't and aren't strategic concerns, they were prejudice. Notice that the decision this thread is based on didn't come from anyone directly involved in military matters. Why is this only an issue now? Second, you're making an assumption that transpeople need transitioning meds when that may not be the case. Even someone did end up needing medication, that's no different from any other developed medical need. Third, he expense of individual testing and the unpredictability of stressors applies to all recruits, so why single out transpeople? The military should allow for any capable individual to serve their country. How can you argue against that?

[seer]

Even someone did end up needing medication, that's no different from any other developed medical need.

That is the point, it is not a medical need. The Pentagon is already funding transgender surgeries - so what good are these people as they go through transitions and recoveries? How are they battle ready, what do they add to the mission - nothing.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/13/politi...ies/index.html

[Mountain Man]

Trump tweeted it so it must be true!

Unless you have evidence that he's lying -- for instance, an on-the-record statement from one of his top generals saying that Trump never consulted any military advisers or personnel -- then I'm willing to presume the President is telling the truth.

[Mountain Man]

He's Making Lying Great Again! That's his slogan, right?

Pentagon appears to confirm Trump lied about consulting generals on bigoted ban

That's a rather fanciful interpretation of the facts.

Just because Captain Davis doesn't know who the President consulted does not prove or even imply that the President never consulted anybody.

This is basic logic.

[Mountain Man]

No they aren't. A mental disorder is only diagnosed if a mentality interferes with day-to-day life. If a transperson is at peace with their condition due to something like gender expression or hormone replacement therapy/sexual reassignment surgery, then they cannot be said to have gender dysphoria.

You're rather confused on this issue. "Transgender" and "gender dysphoria" are simply different terms for the exact same condition.

Source: WebMD

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/gender-dysphoria#1

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[Roy]

Unless you have evidence that he's lying -- for instance, an on-the-record statement from one of his top generals saying that Trump never consulted any military advisers or personnel -- then I'm willing to presume the President is telling the truth.

You're not only presuming his tweets are true, you're using them as evidence that what he tweeted is true.

I doubt you'd accept any such statement anyway. You've already ignored a statement by the DoD spokesperson that he couldn't say to which generals Trump was referring. You've also stated that all medical professionals who disagree with you are committing perjury.

[Mountain Man]

You've already ignored a statement by the DoD spokesperson that he couldn't say to which generals Trump was referring.

I didn't ignore it. "We don't know who the President consulted" is not the same as "The President never consulted anybody". This is basic logic, dude.

[Charles]

Transgenderism certainly is a mental illness regardless of what the APA believes.

And the reason for that is...?

[Sparko]

Simple solution: Allow Transgenders to serve in the military but don't pay for any surgery or related therapies (psych, hormones, drugs) etc. Let them pay for it themselves like any elective surgery in the public sector. My health insurance would not cover any such thing so why should the military?