The Use and Abuse of the Bible in the Immigration Debate

[eider]

Perhaps you should address the beam in your eye before addressing the mote in others. You've started


I remember your thread entitled " Were Jesus and the Baptist 'left wing' or 'right wing' ?"

You also have a thread about Jesus being a progressive socialist and the "poor laws" of Moses.

Thank you for proving my point that those on the left equally use and abuse the Bible when it's convenient for them.

Well of course Jesus was for all, including the poor.

ANd thankyou for showing how careless republicans and rightist evangelical Christians can be.

And it looks as if republicans are likened to the Egyptians in as much as borders are concerned.

[Diogenes]

Well of course Jesus was for all, including the poor.

Not by using the force of the State. You and others seem to forget about that.

ANd thankyou for showing how careless republicans and rightist evangelical Christians can be.

I consider myself a liberal ideologically nor am I a Republican, so this isn't the retort you think it is. Also, I would highly suspect republicans and evangelicals give more of their money to the poor than democrats and liberal "Christians".

And it looks as if republicans are likened to the Egyptians in as much as borders are concerned.

It's always nice to see a leftist theocrat. Also, it's strange that you think enabling human trafficking is something Jesus would approve.

[eider]

Not by using the force of the State. You and others seem to forget about that.

I consider myself a liberal ideologically nor am I a Republican, so this isn't the retort you think it is. Also, I would highly suspect republicans and evangelicals give more of their money to the poor than democrats and liberal "Christians".

It's always nice to see a leftist theocrat. Also, it's strange that you think enabling human trafficking is something Jesus would approve.

More rightist rants?

[oxmixmudd]

I have the perfect solution: We can have the discussion about how to apply the OT Law about sojourners and foreigners AFTER we impose the Lev. 20 rules on sexual practice.

Anyone who can't see the imperative that exists to be merciful to those fleeing hostility and danger, or the requirement to provide food and aid to the starving, the widow, or the orphan, in the New Testament has simply never seen or truly understood who Jesus is or what He taught. It's that simple.

These are contrived arguments that know nothing of grace, love, or mercy, they speak nothing of the living Christ and His redemptive power and feed nothing but the fallen nature, its fears, and its worship of self.

[Cow Poke]

This thread^^^^ ....yet another delightful example of politics scrambled in to religion for the purposes of proving your political views....

Political views should never dictate how we read Scripture.

[Cow Poke]

I may be wrong, but it appears that Debbie basically just recapitulates Hoffmeier; she directly links his article in her own.

You are not entirely wrong.

[Diogenes]

More rightist rants?

Only in your dreams.

[rogue06]

While noting that the Center for Immigration Studies is a known anti-immigration organization, I'm curious how you think this block-text applies. Ancient nation-states had borders? OK. Large tribes or similar collective population groups had to ask permission to settle inside those borders? OK. Israel itself was one such "sojourner"? OK.

Now what does Scripture command Israel to do, remembering that it was once in a similar situation?

-Sam

Basically, he presents a fairly solid argument that effectively scuttles the entire argument from the left that the Bible teaches that we should swing our doors open and welcome with open arms anyone and everyone who wants to enter.

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[Cow Poke]

Basically, he presents a fairly solid argument that effectively scuttles the entire argument from the left that the Bible teaches that we should swing our doors open and welcome with open arms anyone and everyone who wants to enter.

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They won't address the massive numbers of illegals who are involved in sex trafficking, human trafficking, drug trafficking, gangs, terrorists, etc... or issues like making a poster child out of a 7 year old girl who got wounds from the razor wire because, what - her parents were not around?

[Diogenes]

Anyone who can't see the imperative that exists to be merciful to those fleeing hostility and danger, or the requirement to provide food and aid to the starving, the widow, or the orphan, in the New Testament has simply never seen or truly understood who Jesus is or what He taught. It's that simple.

These are contrived arguments that know nothing of grace, love, or mercy, they speak nothing of the living Christ and His redemptive power and feed nothing but the fallen nature, its fears, and its worship of self.

The de facto open border has opened the gate to terrorists, human trafficking victims, and fentanyl in elementary schools. Calling for border security is not the same as denying asylum seekers. Again you use people for your own political ends. Also, if you wish to make Scripture the bedrock of public policy, then same sex marriages should be abolished and sodomy recriminalised. Again you use Scripture for your own political ends.

[MaxVel]

Anyone who can't see the imperative that exists to be merciful to those fleeing hostility and danger, or the requirement to provide food and aid to the starving, the widow, or the orphan, in the New Testament has simply never seen or truly understood who Jesus is or what He taught. It's that simple.

These are contrived arguments that know nothing of grace, love, or mercy, they speak nothing of the living Christ and His redemptive power and feed nothing but the fallen nature, its fears, and its worship of self.

You've completely missed the target here. No-one is advocating for completely closed borders to those in genuine need. The question is: should there be any border controls at all, or should the border be completely open to all and any who come, whatever their reason?

Is there a Biblical basis for that? For allowing people with ill intentions (such as those who are criminals and intend to remain so) free access to the country?

[oxmixmudd]

The de facto open border has opened the gate to terrorists, human trafficking victims, and fentanyl in elementary schools. Calling for border security is not the same as denying asylum seekers. Again you use people for your own political ends. Also, if you wish to make Scripture the bedrock of public policy, then same sex marriages should be abolished and sodomy recriminalised. Again you use Scripture for your own political ends.

This thread is trying to paper over the scriptural requirements I just listed. And some are claiming the only justification for kindness grace and mercy towards aloens in our labd is found under OT law - which is malarky. How this secular country operates its borders may very well be independent of those requirements, but OUR response to those that get here, however they get here, is dictated by the actual teachings of Christ, nor some contrived justification from scripture (of all things) to gen up hatred and hostility to those same people.

[Cerebrum123]

That is not what I'm seeing. Quite the opposite. Sam read it, saw the flaw in it, asked you the pertinent questions regarding the flaw, and you simply ran from those questions and turned to ad hominem attack because you had no legitimate answer to the questions asked.

So you are, in fact, what you are accusing Sam of being. Not only rigid in your views, but - most egregiously unlike Sam - hostile and abusive to those that disagree with them.

That is because you are unable to see the hostility and backward reading in his post. After all, it mirrors your own.

[Cow Poke]

This thread is trying to paper over the scriptural requirements I just listed. And some are claiming the only justification for kindness grace and mercy towards aloens in our labd is found under OT law - which is malarky. How this secular country operates its borders may very well be independent of those requirements, but OUR response to those that get here, however they get here, is dictated by the actual teachings of Christ, nor some contrived justification from scripture (of all things) to gen up hatred and hostility to those same people.

Churches I have pastored have sponsored individuals from Central and South America in a totally legal way (37 as of this month), helping them to get their proper documents. I am 100% positive we have not helped to admit drug runners, sex traffickers, criminals, human traffickers, gang members, terrorists.

[Cerebrum123]

This thread is trying to paper over the scriptural requirements I just listed. And some are claiming the only justification for kindness grace and mercy towards aloens in our labd is found under OT law - which is malarky. How this secular country operates its borders may very well be independent of those requirements, but OUR response to those that get here, however they get here, is dictated by the actual teachings of Christ, nor some contrived justification from scripture (of all things) to gen up hatred and hostility to those same people.