Democrat Congressman Engages In Insurrection At The Capitol

[rogue06]

From CNN Politics....

“We know Jamaal Bowman pulled the fire alarm. Why he did that, it is pretty unclear. His initial explanation, that it was an accident, doesn’t seem to really pass muster,” Steil told CNN’s Jim Acosta. Steil also warned that if Bowman pulled the alarm to interfere with the House voting procedure – an accusation Bowman earlier told reporters was “complete BS” – it would be “a serious violation of the law.”

Bowman’s office said it was an accident, and the congressman told reporters later Saturday: “I was trying to get to a door. I thought the alarm would open the door, and I pulled the fire alarm to open the door by accident.”

“I was just trying to get to my vote and the door that’s usually open wasn’t open, it was closed,” Bowman added.

If he "thought the alarm would open the door", that indicates he
A) knew it was an alarm, not the "door button"
2) shows some unbelievably stupid logic

That confirms what I heard.

[Gondwanaland]

Hard to take you at all seriously when you say things like this.

Giving someone a free pass for a mistake once is one thing. It's when you're defending the same person for the 90th time that's it indicates Trump Cultist syndrome.

Did those Jan 6th folks get a 'free pass' for walking around inside the Capitol and then leaving? Sure as hell didn't.

[Gondwanaland]

I don't think so. Seems like an all around ridiculous, illogical thing to do, particularly on camera. Perhaps you have a logical reason why he would even want to do that. Why? To delay a vote for an hour or so? It just doesn't add up.

He wanted to do it to disrupt the official proceedings. This isn't that hard to grasp. And he thought he'd get away with it. And probably still will.

This link has images of the fire alarms that are used in the capitol. Please show us how one 'accidentally' activates them.

https://www.aoc.gov/explore-capitol-...onstration-box

[Gondwanaland]

There's no video I see in the original post, or any link to a video. Can you provide a link to the video you refer to?

The capitol police have video and posted the still of him as he pulled it.

[Cow Poke]

That confirms what I heard.

So, any time your story changes when it's a really simple act --- either he mistook the fire alarm for a door opening button, OR he thought the alarm would open the door....

[Cow Poke]

The capitol police have video and posted the still of him as he pulled it.

And he doesn't deny it in any sense - he just comes up with conflicting stories about it.

[Gondwanaland]

"An hour or so" (90 minutes, to be exact) is what House Democrats had asked for and been denied to read the CR bill. This event occurred between that time and Democrats making a motion to adjourn so, while it would be very ridiculous, the reason to think there could be malicious intent is there.

If others are right and we're talking about an unprotected push-button alarm, I think that changes the calculus considerably with regard to charges and probably even wrt an Ethics Committee report. Would be very hard, in that case, to establish intent.

-Sam

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and posit that perhaps whatever country you are in (as it's clearly not the US), you have never seen a fire alarm 'button' in the US. Here's what they look like, especially in government buildings:
Fire-pull-out-1.jpg

[Sam]

I am going to suggest that Rep. Bowman is in trouble.

(Though I will reiterate that key to a criminal charge is intent and there'd likely have to be better evidence than simply the act of pulling the alarm to make a charging decision, let alone to make something stick).

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-Sam

[Sam]

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and posit that perhaps whatever country you are in (as it's clearly not the US), you have never seen a fire alarm 'button' in the US. Here's what they look like, especially in government buildings:
Fire-pull-out-1.jpg

I have seen numerous different types of fire alarms in USA, from levers to buttons. I was not making a declarative statement about which type was present in that section of the building, since that wasn't evidenced, but only how the calculus would change were it a button-type alarm.

As I just posted, it's a moot point because we're looking at a lever-type alarm. Had it been a button, though, one could have easily made the argument that the signage on the door was confusing enough to lead to this kind of accident. As it stands, I have to think Bowman understood that pulling a lever-type device would set off a building-wide alarm and his defense becomes much less plausible.

-Sam

ETA: What we're looking for, at this point, would be what Bowman does in the seconds after pulling the alarm. If he stands around waiting for the door to open, he's still got something of a defense. If he pulls the alarm and then walks away from the doors, then he's clearly not confused by the signage that clearly states an alarm will sound and the doors will open after 30 seconds. That's what I'd be looking for if I were a prosecutor here.

[Starlight]

So, any time your story changes when it's a really simple act --- either he mistook the fire alarm for a door opening button, OR he thought the alarm would open the door....

From seeing the pictures, and looking at his brief explanation, it looks like:

1. He was in a rush to exit the building and get to the vote (in another building)
2. Doors were unexpectedly closed and blocking his way out of his building which he needed to leave in a hurry to rush to the other building.
3. The door had some "emergency exit" signage on it.
4. He thought "I'm in a hurry, I have to get to this vote, I'll use the emergency exit even if it sets off an alarm that I've used a door that's not supposed to be being used"
5. He used the emergency exit incorrectly. He should have lifted the bar on the door and pushed it open. Instead he went for a wall-button thinking it was an alarmed door release.
6. Wall button turned out to be a building-wide fire alarm not connected to opening the door. It activated a building-wide fire alarm which he had not intended, sparked an evacuation of his current building which he had not intended, and in no way opened the door in front of him which had been his intention.

Seems he's guilty of: Being in a hurry, and failing to correctly use a door.

[Ronson]

From seeing the pictures, and looking at his brief explanation, it looks like:

1. He was in a rush to exit the building and get to the vote (in another building)
2. Doors were unexpectedly closed and blocking his way out of his building which he needed to leave in a hurry to rush to the other building.

He claims that door was "usually" standing open. I kind of doubt that part.

[Gondwanaland]

From seeing the pictures, and looking at his brief explanation, it looks like:

1. He was in a rush to exit the building and get to the vote (in another building)
2. Doors were unexpectedly closed and blocking his way out of his building which he needed to leave in a hurry to rush to the other building.
3. The door had some "emergency exit" signage on it.
4. He thought "I'm in a hurry, I have to get to this vote, I'll use the emergency exit even if it sets off an alarm that I've used a door that's not supposed to be being used"
5. He used the emergency exit incorrectly. He should have lifted the bar on the door and pushed it open. Instead he went for a wall-button thinking it was an alarmed door release.
6. Wall button turned out to be a building-wide fire alarm not connected to opening the door. It activated a building-wide fire alarm which he had not intended, sparked an evacuation of his current building which he had not intended, and in no way opened the door in front of him which had been his intention.

Seems he's guilty of: Being in a hurry, and failing to correctly use a door.

Yep, you're exactly the libtard version of a Trumper. Good grief.

[Starlight]

He claims that door was "usually" standing open. I kind of doubt that part.

It sounds like there's another door he usually uses that is usually standing open, but which was locked, so he went looking for another exit and found this emergency exit and tried to use it. Given it's currently the weekend, it's probably not surprising that the main door he's used to using during normal business hours, was locked.

[Starlight]

Yep, you're exactly the libtard version of a Trumper. Good grief.

Are you going to apologize to me for each and every one of these absurd insults when I'm proven right?

[Cow Poke]

From seeing the pictures, and looking at his brief explanation, it looks like:

1. He was in a rush to exit the building and get to the vote (in another building)
2. Doors were unexpectedly closed and blocking his way out of his building which he needed to leave in a hurry to rush to the other building.
3. The door had some "emergency exit" signage on it.
4. He thought "I'm in a hurry, I have to get to this vote, I'll use the emergency exit even if it sets off an alarm that I've used a door that's not supposed to be being used"
5. He used the emergency exit incorrectly. He should have lifted the bar on the door and pushed it open. Instead he went for a wall-button thinking it was an alarmed door release.
6. Wall button turned out to be a building-wide fire alarm not connected to opening the door. It activated a building-wide fire alarm which he had not intended, sparked an evacuation of his current building which he had not intended, and in no way opened the door in front of him which had been his intention.

Seems he's guilty of: Being in a hurry, and failing to correctly use a door.

If you look at the picture, the doors are equipped with panic hardware. By law, such doors must ALWAYS be openable from the inside. ALWAYS. No exceptions.

panic hardware.jpg


Are you suggesting this grown man is too stupid to know that?

Feel free to try again.