Zogby: ‘Catastrophic’ disaster brewing for Biden reelection

[Cow Poke]

C'monman! For generations cemeteries have been strongholds of Democratic support.

When a Troo Christian dies....
A) He goes to Heaven
2) He begins voting Democrat

[whag]

You are the jackass. 1. I was making a joke. 2. I never mentioned Trump so how could I be repeating a lie? You are reading what you want to read and then accusing me of what you think you read. A real jackass move. I was referring to many other incidents where Democrats have been caught trying to using dead people's votes.

here's one:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/30/us/br...ote/index.html

LOL “Many incidents”

From the article that you didn’t read:

Another employee of the state attorney’s office wrote in an October 22 email to Antonacci that the applications appeared to be filled out by one person. “Due to the fact that they were mailed from out of state with no return address I’m unable to identify the person who submitted these applications,” according to the correspondence shared with CNN.

Here’s another:

Las Vegas man who voted twice using dead wife’s ballot pleads guilty, avoids jail time

A Las Vegas man who voted twice in the 2020 election with his deceased wife’s ballot withdrew his plea on a felony charge Thursday and instead pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor as part of a plea deal where he avoided jail time and had to pay a $2,000 fine.

The 8 News Now Investigators first reported Donald “Kirk” Hartle, 56, a registered Republican, was facing two charges relating to the 2020 election. In court last November, Hartle pleaded guilty to one charge of voting more than once in the same election. Hartle had reached a deal with prosecutors to avoid prison time and to change his plea after a year.

So the system actually works spectacularly, despite GOP protestations to the contrary.

[Sparko]

LOL “Many incidents”

From the article that you didn’t read:

Another employee of the state attorney’s office wrote in an October 22 email to Antonacci that the applications appeared to be filled out by one person. “Due to the fact that they were mailed from out of state with no return address I’m unable to identify the person who submitted these applications,” according to the correspondence shared with CNN.

Here’s another:

Las Vegas man who voted twice using dead wife’s ballot pleads guilty, avoids jail time

A Las Vegas man who voted twice in the 2020 election with his deceased wife’s ballot withdrew his plea on a felony charge Thursday and instead pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor as part of a plea deal where he avoided jail time and had to pay a $2,000 fine.

The 8 News Now Investigators first reported Donald “Kirk” Hartle, 56, a registered Republican, was facing two charges relating to the 2020 election. In court last November, Hartle pleaded guilty to one charge of voting more than once in the same election. Hartle had reached a deal with prosecutors to avoid prison time and to change his plea after a year.

So the system actually works spectacularly, despite GOP protestations to the contrary.

You are only going to find articles where they caught/stopped the attempts, now aren't you?

And it is not just one election that it has happened in. It has happened enough times that it has become a running joke that the Democrats use dead people to vote for them. Thus my comment. It had nothing to do with Trump. Yet you assumed it so. Being the talking jackass that you are.

[whag]

You are only going to find articles where they caught/stopped the attempts, now aren't you?

LOL. You literally cited just such an article:

Florida officials stop attempt to register dead people in Broward County

[Sparko]

LOL. You literally cited just such an article:

Florida officials stop attempt to register dead people in Broward County

As I said, you are not going to find articles where it succeeded are you? Because if it succeeded they would not know about it. Duh.

But if you see articles where it was caught, then you can assume there are instances of it happening where they were not caught.

[rogue06]

As I said, you are not going to find articles where it succeeded are you? Because if it succeeded they would not know about it. Duh.

But if you see articles where it was caught, then you can assume there are instances of it happening where they were not caught.

Or boast of it.

Scott Foval^[1], the National Field Director for Americans United for Change, and Robert Creamer, a convicted felon^[2] who is the husband of Rep. Jan Schakowsk (D-Ill.) a member of House Democratic leadership being the Chief Deputy Whip, and runs a political consulting firm that worked closely with the DNC and the Hillary campaign, have both boasted of helping to commit voter fraud. They have even also discussed various methods of committing voter fraud that they employed.

Foval described how operatives could commit voter fraud by shipping in out of state people to vote saying that "You can prove conspiracy if there's a bus. If there are cars, it's much harder to prove." According to the Washington Times he openly admits that Democrats have been doing this for decades:

"It’s a pretty easy thing for Republicans to say, ‘Well, they’re busing people in,’" Mr. Foval said. "Well, you know what? We’ve been busing people in to deal with you [multiple expletives] for 50 years, and we’re not going to stop now. We’re just going to find a different way to do it."

In the case of Creamer he discusses plans to register Hispanic voters illegally by setting up a shell corporation and claiming that they work for them as contractors and use their fake pay checks to register to vote after which he admits that "there are a couple of organizations that that’s their big trick" and that "turnout is huge, huge, huge."




1. According to the Chicago Sun Times, "White House visitor logs show Creamer has made 340 visits since Obama took office in January 2009" and it appears that at least 45 of those meetings were with Obama

1. Who served only 5 months in federal prison after pleading guilty to tax fraud and operating a check kiting scheme responsible for $2.3 million in bank fraud. Must be nice having a wife with major political connections.

[whag]

As I said, you are not going to find articles where it succeeded are you? Because if it succeeded they would not know about it. Duh.

Which begs the question why the sam hell you said this:

You are only going to find articles where they caught/stopped the attempts, now aren't you?

But if you see articles where it was caught, then you can assume there are instances of it happening where they were not caught.

So the case where the MAGAt voted with his dead wife's ballot means there are other MAGAts doing the same thing who got away with it.

[Cow Poke]

Which begs the question why the sam hell you said this:....

Watch your language, young man! It's Sam Hill!!!

[whag]

Or boast of it.

Scott Foval^[1], the National Field Director for Americans United for Change, and Robert Creamer, a convicted felon^[2] who is the husband of Rep. Jan Schakowsk (D-Ill.) a member of House Democratic leadership being the Chief Deputy Whip, and runs a political consulting firm that worked closely with the DNC and the Hillary campaign, have both boasted of helping to commit voter fraud. They have even also discussed various methods of committing voter fraud that they employed.

Foval described how operatives could commit voter fraud by shipping in out of state people to vote saying that "You can prove conspiracy if there's a bus. If there are cars, it's much harder to prove." According to the Washington Times he openly admits that Democrats have been doing this for decades:

"It’s a pretty easy thing for Republicans to say, ‘Well, they’re busing people in,’" Mr. Foval said. "Well, you know what? We’ve been busing people in to deal with you [multiple expletives] for 50 years, and we’re not going to stop now. We’re just going to find a different way to do it."

In the case of Creamer he discusses plans to register Hispanic voters illegally by setting up a shell corporation and claiming that they work for them as contractors and use their fake pay checks to register to vote after which he admits that "there are a couple of organizations that that’s their big trick" and that "turnout is huge, huge, huge."




1. According to the Chicago Sun Times, "White House visitor logs show Creamer has made 340 visits since Obama took office in January 2009" and it appears that at least 45 of those meetings were with Obama

1. Who served only 5 months in federal prison after pleading guilty to tax fraud and operating a check kiting scheme responsible for $2.3 million in bank fraud. Must be nice having a wife with major political connections.

Counterpoint:

Yet Another Republican Commits Voter Fraud

An upstate New York elections official becomes the latest in a long line of conservatives to perpetrate the very crime they claim is being done against them.

In September, the FBI arrested Schofield on accusations that the county elections commissioner was fraudulently applying for absentee ballots in the names of people who didn’t request ballots or Schofield’s assistance, or didn’t know that Schofield was using their personal information. The indictment alleged that Schofield brought ballots to voters, took possession of some ballots himself, and had voters sign ballot envelopes but not actually vote—enabling him to cast votes in the voters’ names.

Other officials are also being targeted by the investigation, including two Rensselaer County employees—one described by insiders as a GOP operative, another an assistant for county Executive Steve McLaughlin, who was indicted last year on campaign finance felony charges. The investigation has also led to the guilty plea of former Republican Troy City Councilwoman Kimberly Ashe-McPheron, for fraudulently submitting absentee ballots in last year’s primary and general elections.

The remarkably ever-widening scale of the upstate investigation follows a wider trend of Republican officials and voters being guilty of the phantasmal voter fraud they so often fearmonger about.

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GOP: Lefties corner the market on voter fraud!

Iowa Official's Wife Charged With 52 Counts of Voter Fraud

Federal prosecutors have charged the wife of a northwestern Iowa county supervisor with 52 counts of voter fraud to help her husband's ultimately unsuccessful race for a Republican nomination to run for Congress in 2020

She filled out "dozens of voter registrations, absentee ballot request forms, and absentee ballots containing false information,” and delivered absentee ballots, sometimes without the knowledge of the people whose names were used, according to the indictment.

Pat Gill, who is Woodbury County's auditor and election commissioner, said Thursday that he notified the Iowa secretary of state’s office after someone contacted his office because a ballot had been fraudulently cast in their name in November 2020.

[rogue06]

Counterpoint:

Yet Another Republican Commits Voter Fraud

An upstate New York elections official becomes the latest in a long line of conservatives to perpetrate the very crime they claim is being done against them.

In September, the FBI arrested Schofield on accusations that the county elections commissioner was fraudulently applying for absentee ballots in the names of people who didn’t request ballots or Schofield’s assistance, or didn’t know that Schofield was using their personal information. The indictment alleged that Schofield brought ballots to voters, took possession of some ballots himself, and had voters sign ballot envelopes but not actually vote—enabling him to cast votes in the voters’ names.

Other officials are also being targeted by the investigation, including two Rensselaer County employees—one described by insiders as a GOP operative, another an assistant for county Executive Steve McLaughlin, who was indicted last year on campaign finance felony charges. The investigation has also led to the guilty plea of former Republican Troy City Councilwoman Kimberly Ashe-McPheron, for fraudulently submitting absentee ballots in last year’s primary and general elections.

The remarkably ever-widening scale of the upstate investigation follows a wider trend of Republican officials and voters being guilty of the phantasmal voter fraud they so often fearmonger about.

We should investigate every instance regardless of who is behind it. Some don't like that idea maintaining that fraud is a myth.

And it sounds like Schofield was ballot harvesting, a practice fairly common among Democrats who never seem to get prosecuted.

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We should investigate every instance regardless of who is behind it. Some don't like that idea maintaining that fraud is a myth.

LOL

Literally no one ever said voter fraud is a myth.

A lot of people have said Trump’s 5,000 voting Georgian zombies is a myth. You’re conflating the two, per usual.

And it sounds like Schofield was ballot harvesting, a practice fairly common among Democrats who never seem to get prosecuted.

Republicans set to push mail ballots, voting methods they previously blasted as recipes for fraud

[Sparko]

Which begs the question why the sam hell you said this:

You are only going to find articles where they caught/stopped the attempts, now aren't you?

I was saying the same thing. derp.

Are you expecting me to provide articles where they succeeded in voter fraud and didn't get caught? But the sheer number of times the democrats have been caught in multiple elections suggests that ballot stuffing and fake registration is a common enough occurrence. Thus the running joke about Dead People voting Democrat.

So the case where the MAGAt voted with his dead wife's ballot means there are other MAGAts doing the same thing who got away with it.

Probably. I am sure both sides do it, but the democrats have turned it into an art form.

[whag]

I was saying the same thing. derp.

Are you expecting me to provide articles where they succeeded in voter fraud and didn't get caught? But the sheer number of times the democrats have been caught in multiple elections suggests that ballot stuffing and fake registration is a common enough occurrence. Thus the running joke about Dead People voting Democrat.

I easily countered all of those with instances of GOP instances of fraud, one of which involves a MAGAt who used his dead wife’s ballot. You then conceded that one instance of catch means multiple instances weren’t caught.

The latest instance of GOP election fraud involves the President himself who’s been indicted for it. A piece of they evidence will be his lie about 5,000 dead people’s ballots being counted as Democrat when it was only 4 and they were all votes for Trump.

[Terraceth]

I think if Biden's polling continues to be bad, there's a high chance that the Dem higher ups yank him from the ticket and declare Gavin Newsom as his designated successor and try and skip as much of the primaries as possible.

Extraordinarily unlikely. Even if the Democratic higher-ups were to try such a thing--and I am not sure they actually can based on their primary rules, but could be wrong--then the ensuing controversy of the party leaders just straight up removing Biden by force would most likely hurt their chances of winning more than having Biden on the ticket would.