Ongoing incidents in London - terror.

[Scrawly]

1) The mother of 23-year-old Daniel O'Neill, who is recovering in hospital after being stabbed, told the BBC he had a seven-inch scar from the knife attack.
"He had just stepped outside the bar for a second and a man ran up to him and said 'this is for my family, this is for Islam' and stuck a knife in him," Elisabeth O'Neill said.

2) One man, Gerard, told the BBC he saw a woman being stabbed "10 or 15 times" by men shouting "This is for Allah".

3) One man, who did not want to be named, told the BBC's Asian Network that one of the attackers had become more extreme over the past two years.
"We spoke about a particular attack that happened and like most radicals he had a justification for anything - everything and anything.

Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40148737

[Meh Gerbil]

1) The mother of 23-year-old Daniel O'Neill, who is recovering in hospital after being stabbed, told the BBC he had a seven-inch scar from the knife attack.
"He had just stepped outside the bar for a second and a man ran up to him and said 'this is for my family, this is for Islam' and stuck a knife in him," Elisabeth O'Neill said.

2) One man, Gerard, told the BBC he saw a woman being stabbed "10 or 15 times" by men shouting "This is for Allah".

3) One man, who did not want to be named, told the BBC's Asian Network that one of the attackers had become more extreme over the past two years.
"We spoke about a particular attack that happened and like most radicals he had a justification for anything - everything and anything.

Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40148737

I'm going to fill you in on a little secret.
Evidence of the sort you've presented was a really big thing with modernists; unfortunately, the skeptics that hang out here are all post modernists.
That means they're more likely to feel their way to the truth with the center of each beautiful universe being their own navels.

They talk like modernists just out of habit.

[Starlight]

Evidence of the sort you've presented was a really big thing with modernists; unfortunately, the skeptics that hang out here are all post modernists.

ECREE.

They talk like modernists just out of habit.

Ah, so the evidence for this is all in your imagination because the posts they actually write don't support your claims. Convincing argument you've got there. Maybe you should reconsider who exactly it is who doesn't pay attention to evidence, with the help of a mirror?

[Starlight]

You left off:
- Bury them with a dead pig
- Ban all religion

Serious question - to what extent is it fair to hold family responsible? I think my brother does silly things sometimes. I strongly disapprove of one of my cousin's religious affiliations and the religious and political views and practices of him and his wife. What exactly am I supposed to be doing to 'stop them'?

[MaxVel]

You left off:
- Bury them with a dead pig
- Ban all religion

The first is a possibility if those in power keep pushing the importation of unassimilating people groups into Europe, I think "ban all religions except Christianity" is a more likely outcome.

Serious question - to what extent is it fair to hold family responsible? I think my brother does silly things sometimes. I strongly disapprove of one of my cousin's religious affiliations and the religious and political views and practices of him and his wife. What exactly am I supposed to be doing to 'stop them'?

Does your brother do 'silly things' like preparing to engage in random murders and other terrorist activities?

Does your cousin's religion encourage violent acts against those who believe differently?


What measures do you propose to stop Islamic terrorism in the West?

[Starlight]

Does your cousin's religion encourage violent acts against those who believe differently?

IMO, yes.

What measures do you propose to stop Islamic terrorism in the West?

I guess you would firstly need to convince me that a policy solution is needed. I can't even seem to convince Americans on this forum that the massive rate of gun deaths in the US needs a policy solution. Terrorism is a couple of orders of magnitude smaller than that in effect, below deaths by tripping over furniture, so I don't see that it needs a policy solution.

Trying to alter an effect as rarely occurring as something like terrorism or furniture tripping with a policy seems like trying to hit a tiny nail with the hammer the size of a building... the negative effects of trying to hammer the nail in will likely outweigh the positives. Though the government here runs ads to remind people to stay safe when using ladders... not sure if that actually has any impact though aside from costing money to run the ads.

[MaxVel]

IMO, yes.

So if you felt that he was about to actually engage in a terrorist act, or was psychologically heading in that direction, you would contact the authorities about it?

I guess you would firstly need to convince me that a policy solution is needed. I can't even seem to convince Americans on this forum that the massive rate of gun deaths in the US needs a policy solution. Terrorism is a couple of orders of magnitude smaller than that in effect, below deaths by tripping over furniture, so I don't see that it needs a policy solution.

Trying to alter an effect as rarely occurring as something like terrorism or furniture tripping with a policy seems like trying to hit a tiny nail with the hammer the size of a building... the negative effects of trying to hammer the nail in will likely outweigh the positives. Though the government here runs ads to remind people to stay safe when using ladders... not sure if that actually has any impact though aside from costing money to run the ads.

So...


....nothing.


More immigration perhaps, so we in the West can better learn how to accept differing cultures?

[demi-conservative]

[Meh Gerbil]

So Starlight views religion as a problem - even a threat to his person - but his immigration stance is to import more violent religious whack jobs.
I honestly don't understand.

[One Bad Pig]

So Starlight views religion as a problem - even a threat to his person - but his immigration stance is to import more violent religious whack jobs.
I honestly don't understand.

Easy. People of the religious persuasion with which he's most familiar are against the immigration of more violent religious whack jobs, so he's for it.

[Meh Gerbil]

Easy. People of the religious persuasion with which he's most familiar are against the immigration of more violent religious whack jobs, so he's for it.

This cannot be it.
Now I'm just depressed.

[Sparko]

You would end up with an empty UK with that criteria.

The best control is to not let them into the country to begin with. Like Trump is trying to do. Once the flood gates are open it is hard to stop the attacks.

[Sparko]

For some people wearing the self-righteous robe of being a progressive/open-minded/liberal means more than the lives of their countrymen.
The deportations will never happen because it would completely repudiate the whole borderless world/multi-culturalism/baloney that liberals have been selling.

Again: To deport is a total admission of failure on the part of liberals.

It won't happen.

The best thing that a resident of London can do is get out of London and allow the liberals and terrorists to feed on each other.
I know it isn't a satisfying answer but there isn't any reason to have sane people dying in these attacks.
Sometimes you just have to back away and allow people to live (and die) with their decisions.

this should have been a star trek episode where Kirk has to intervene in some planet who invites their enemies onto their planet to slaughter them while saying "But they mean well!"

[One Bad Pig]

Sometimes you just have to back away and allow people to live (and die) with their decisions.

Won't happen. 90%¹ of what government does these days is protect people from themselves.





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¹or so; I could be off by 10%.

[Starlight]

So Starlight views religion as a problem - even a threat to his person - but his immigration stance is to import more violent religious whack jobs.
I honestly don't understand.

Since when is that my immigration stance?!?

My country currently has a very high immigration rate (more than twice as high as the US) which I am strongly against and would like to see lowered and would like to see immigration occurring mainly from countries that are culturally similar to NZ, and I would like to see it made very clear to people who choose to immigrate here that if they choose to do so they are committing to adopting our values and that if they prefer their own culture they should stay in their own country.

So your claims about my views seem totally bogus.