House Repeals Obamacare

[Darth Executor]

they suck.

The only good thing I liked about Obamacare was the forcing insurance companies to accept people with pre-existing conditions without penalizing them. Of course the Republicans had to change that. dumbasses.

So the only thing you liked was the part that would likely bankrupt them? If that's the only part of the law left then there's no reason for anyone to get health insurance. You can just get it if you get sick and get it over with. Why not just support socialized health care at this point?

[Darth Executor]

I'm kind of confused at the people in this forum who want to see these Republican healthcare-destroying bills pass. Do you just get joy out of having sick people die and having people with pre-existing conditions not covered? Do you just have ideological objections to the government being involved in healthcare and are happy with people dying on the streets if that's what it takes to fulfill your ideological objective of getting rid of the 'Big Gubernment'? Did the right-wing propaganda outlets successfully brainwash you into believing that Obamacare made things worse than what they were previously? Are you credulous and gullible and just have the naive belief that the Republican congress has your best interests at heart as opposed to the super-rich and their donors, and you really believe they will do the right thing for you?

Not sure which of those is causing the "Yusss! Republicans are passing a terrible bill to destroy healthcare for Americans, isn't it great?" vibe you guys have going. Probably a combination of them.

I already proposed a solution for people like you who care so much about ;_; people dying in the streets ;_;

You weren't interested because you want political control, not healthcare for everybody.

[Starlight]

I already proposed a solution

Your 'solution' was as dumb as you are.

You weren't interested because you want political control, not healthcare for everybody.

[Darth Executor]

Your 'solution' was as dumb as you are.

My solution was pretty much foolproof which is why all you did in response is insult me. Usually when you think you can win an argument you post page after page of irrelevant statistics and garbage. In that case all you could do was sputter impotently, because you knew you've been had.

Further evidence that liberals have no interest in health care coverage is the fact that they keep pushing for it to be mandated at the federal level instead of simply instituting it in their own states. People like starlight get off on telling some peasant a thousand miles away what to do, the fake altruism is just for show.

[Starlight]

Further evidence that liberals have no interest in health care coverage is the fact that they keep pushing for it to be mandated at the federal level instead of simply instituting it in their own states.

Well it's been instituted in my own state for the past 76 years.

As far as the US goes there are complexities with regard to the way the State/Federal system is constitutionally set up that makes it difficult for individual states to implement healthcare and means that in practice it needs to be done at the federal level.

[Darth Executor]

Well it's been instituted in my own state for the past 76 years.

As far as the US goes there are complexities with regard to the way the State/Federal system is constitutionally set up that makes it difficult for individual states to implement healthcare and means that in practice it needs to be done at the federal level.

That's funny, what difficulties did massechussets have in implementing romneycare (something romney took a lot of heat for)?

Once again, you've been had. You have no answer because I am right.

[Terraceth]

they suck.

The only good thing I liked about Obamacare was the forcing insurance companies to accept people with pre-existing conditions without penalizing them. Of course the Republicans had to change that. dumbasses.

While that was one of the most popular parts of the bill, it also was a big reason for pushing up costs. People with pre-existing conditions cost more money to take care of and if they don't have any penalties that means the rates get raised for everyone else to pay for them. Removing or at least reducing what conditions are protected would cut down on premium costs. On the other hand, that is annoying for people who suffer from such conditions.

Though I don't think it unreasonable that conditions that are your own fault for getting and are curable on your own (e.g. obesity, smoking) should carry some kind of penalty.

[Cow Poke]

Yeah, pretty much. McConnell has said he'll wait for the CBO to score the bill before holding a vote on it. When the CBO says it's terrible and expensive they'll kill the bill. It'll also give people time to read it, as quite a number of Republicans in the house hadn't read the bill when they voted.

What's really hilarious, though, is hearing Pelosi and Schumer whine and cry about "rushing it through". What a couple of hypocrites!

[Starlight]

What's really hilarious, though, is hearing Pelosi and Schumer whine and cry about "rushing it through". What a couple of hypocrites!

I take it that the Republican propaganda network successfully mislead you with their claims that Obamacare was rushed through? Did you also fall for the meme misquoting Pelosi that pretended that the Dems tried to pass Obamacare before people could read it?

The hypocritical thing here is that the Republicans are now literally doing what they falsely accused the Dems of doing with Obamacare: They are actually rushing the bill through before people can read it and before the CBO can score it and before the public can object to it. I honestly can't think of a group in the history of the world that even comes close to the Republicans in sheer hypocrisy. The Pharisees that Jesus denounced vehemently for hypocrisy were total saints compared to elected Republicans.

[Bisto]

I'd be the first to criticize the Dems, for all kinds of corruption and a list of bad things as long as your arm.

Fwiw, a gerbil's arm is rather short.

[Starlight]

Trump weighs in, saying Australia's healthcare (medicare for all) is better than America's:

Australia's Medicare is a publicly funded universal health care system that provides healthcare for all citizens.

Trump has previously praised single-payer healthcare systems in other countries: "As far as single payer, it works in Canada. It works incredibly well in Scotland."

It's also worth noting that when President Lyndon Johnson introduced the Medicare program in America in 1965, he intended it to be for all citizens, but special interests fought back and were able to restrict it to only the elderly.

My own country of New Zealand was the first Western country to introduce universal healthcare, ~76 years ago. It works well. Since then almost every other country in the Western world has followed suit.

[Mountain Man]

Did you also fall for the meme misquoting Pelosi that pretended that the Dems tried to pass Obamacare before people could read it?

Direct quote from Pelosi: "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy." It's not a meme or a misquote. She literally said it.

Although to be fair, there was no compete bill to read when she said that. Everything was stripped out of the House bill, and Obamacare was passed piecemeal through a shady, behind-closed-doors budget reconciliation process, so we the people really couldn't find out what was in it before it passed.

This of course broke Obama's promise that the Obamacare debates would be publicly broadcast on C-Span and the full text of the bill would be posted online 72-hours before the final vote.

[Sparko]

I'm kind of confused at the people in this forum who want to see these Republican healthcare-destroying bills pass. Do you just get joy out of having sick people die and having people with pre-existing conditions not covered? Do you just have ideological objections to the government being involved in healthcare and are happy with people dying on the streets if that's what it takes to fulfill your ideological objective of getting rid of the 'Big Gubernment'? Did the right-wing propaganda outlets successfully brainwash you into believing that Obamacare made things worse than what they were previously? Are you credulous and gullible and just have the naive belief that the Republican congress has your best interests at heart as opposed to the super-rich and their donors, and you really believe they will do the right thing for you?

Not sure which of those is causing the "Yusss! Republicans are passing a terrible bill to destroy healthcare for Americans, isn't it great?" vibe you guys have going. Probably a combination of them.

My position is for them to FIX healthcare and not make it worse. Obamacare made things worse, and then penalized people on top of that if they could not afford healthcare!

Make healthcare more affordable and available to more people. Make it better. I don't care who does it. Republicans or Democrats. It is broken and so far I am not impressed with the Republicans efforts. Trump made big claims. So far he hasn't delivered. Part of that is congress's fault. Most of it actually.

[Sparko]

So the only thing you liked was the part that would likely bankrupt them? If that's the only part of the law left then there's no reason for anyone to get health insurance. You can just get it if you get sick and get it over with. Why not just support socialized health care at this point?

What? How do you get that from what I said? Making sure they can't make people uninsurable because they have a preexisting condition doesn't create socialized medicine. They still have to buy insurance, but say, just because someone has diabetes and changes jobs doesn't mean he has to lose his insurance because he has a pre-existing condition and they either don't want to insure him, or want to charge him 10 times more than everyone else.

[Mountain Man]

My position is for them to FIX healthcare and not make it worse.

I don't want the government to try and fix ANYTHING. Just stay out of it and let the free-market work.

As Ronald Reagan famously said, "One of the most terrifying phrases in the English language is, 'I'm from the government, and I'm here to help.'"