One World Government - the Great Reset

[seanD]

Typical conservative reaction:

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So FF concludes that it's an initiative that has generated conspiracy theories by rightwingers.
SL concludes it's actually an initiative orchestrated by rightwingers.

And they sourced the same wiki article to come to those conclusions.

[Cerebrum123]

yup



And one of the things of which I need to be extra careful --- sometimes people just want to vent, and they don't intend for you to "fix things" --- just listen and acknowledge.

I have a hard time with that one too. Even if not fully intentional I was effectively taught to suppress my emotions and bottle them up. This led to me trying to prioritize reason over emotion, which led to its own problems.

I'm learning. Even at my old age.

I'm young compared to you, but I still feel old given my situation. I've learned a lot over the past couple of years, a lot of it I wish I had been able to learn much sooner. I think a lot of my life would have been significantly easier if I knew I had Autism as a kid. There would have been different challenges still, but at least I might have avoided internalizing the idea that I was fundamentally broken*. That's not the only thing I learned a lot about, I've been hyper focusing on psychology ever since a certain family matter started getting out of hand, and that led me to finding out a lot of really messed up stuff about certain family members, and other people I've known over the years.

*When I was a kid I was bombarded from nearly every direction that there was something severely wrong with me(mostly not explicitly stated, but at minimum implied), but instead of checking if there was some underlying issue they blamed it on my character. Practically every idiosyncrasy was viewed as something malicious. Being overwhelmed by school with all of the lights, noises, smells etc. resulting in my crying was seen as me "throwing a tantrum", following directions very literally was me "being a smartass" instead of me just taking things at face value, me correcting people was me being "a know it all", and not just me trying to help. Here is an example that I only recently remembered. When I was in kindergarten we had a boy who was blind, and had severe mental issues, and was possibly also autistic. Up until then I had always "hand flapped" like he did, but the teacher told me to "not make fun of him" when I did it. Fortunately she did believe me when I told her I did it before I ever met him. However, she did tell me to stop it "because it's weird"(which of course I didn't want to be weird). Which is still bad, because hand flapping is harmless, and is what is called a "stim" or "self stimulatory behavior" This is something done to help regulate emotions and such. Everyone does this, but for neurodivergent people it is usually something seen as "weird". Rocking back and forth, hand flapping, echolalia(repeating certain sounds over and over) on the neurodivergent side, and stuff like listening to music to calm down among the average people.

[Ronson]

And one of the things of which I need to be extra careful --- sometimes people just want to vent, and they don't intend for you to "fix things" --- just listen and acknowledge.

Married man speaking

[Starlight]

Yes, because climate change policy that they endorse is such a "right-wing" taking point.

It's a combination of their egomania and scamming.

They don't necessarily believe in climate change themselves, they just see it as one of many excuses for why people ought to give them money (the scamming part).

To the extent they do at all believe it in, they believe that as The Greatest People In The World (i.e. rich people born with a silver spoon in their mouths who have failed upwards their whole lives) that They would be Superior at dealing with climate change compared to anyone else in the world, and that certainly they and their Great Private Companies would be vastly superior to governments and pesky regulations at dealing with it.

[Cow Poke]

Married man speaking

Ya got that right!

[Cow Poke]

So FF concludes that it's an initiative that has generated conspiracy theories by rightwingers.
SL concludes it's actually an initiative orchestrated by rightwingers.

And they sourced the same wiki article to come to those conclusions.

They both read stuff! Sometimes, the SAME stuff!!!

[Starlight]

So FF concludes that it's an initiative that has generated conspiracy theories by rightwingers.
SL concludes it's actually an initiative orchestrated by rightwingers.

And they sourced the same wiki article to come to those conclusions.

It's a pretty standard pattern these days for rightwingers to work themselves into conspiracy theories about groups doing rightwing things.

You do it with US intelligence agencies which have a long history of being right-wing, from when they were founded and run for decades by a rabid right-winger, to when they invaded Cuba, to when they did ~80 coup attempts of leftist governments during the cold war, to when they persecuted leftist activists for decades. Yet you find it convenient for your conspiracy theories to pretend that the deep state is out to get rightwingers.

You guys did it with Brandon Straka, a right-wing agitator and massive Trump supporter who incited rioters in Jan 6th, who cried in a fake prison cell at CPAC over right-wingers being jailed for attacking the capital. Yet the rightwing has a conspiracy theory that he's not rightwing.

And you guys do it with WEF, a group founded by right-wing billionaire globalist elites who want to dream up reasons why less government should exist and more control of the world and money should be given to those right-wing billionaire elites. And you look at their ideas for deregulation and removal of government and letting private corporations run rampant, and you say "It's a left wing conspiracy to create a one world government!" Points for idiocy, I guess.

It certainly makes my point about Stalin (which is that if you look at him carefully he doesn't fall at all on the normal left-right political axis and that the things people had the biggest problem with him for were right-wing aligned things he did not left-wing aligned ones) look tame by comparison.

[seanD]

It's a combination of their egomania and scamming.

They don't necessarily believe in climate change themselves, they just see it as one of many excuses for why people ought to give them money (the scamming part).

To the extent they do at all believe it in, they believe that as The Greatest People In The World (i.e. rich people born with a silver spoon in their mouths who have failed upwards their whole lives) that They would be Superior at dealing with climate change compared to anyone else in the world, and that certainly they and their Great Private Companies would be vastly superior to governments and pesky regulations at dealing with it.

It's a pretty standard pattern these days for rightwingers to work themselves into conspiracy theories about groups doing rightwing things.

You do it with US intelligence agencies which have a long history of being right-wing, from when they were founded and run for decades by a rabid right-winger, to when they invaded Cuba, to when they did ~80 coup attempts of leftist governments during the cold war, to when they persecuted leftist activists for decades. Yet you find it convenient for your conspiracy theories to pretend that the deep state is out to get rightwingers.

You guys did it with Brandon Straka, a right-wing agitator and massive Trump supporter who incited rioters in Jan 6th, who cried in a fake prison cell at CPAC over right-wingers being jailed for attacking the capital. Yet the rightwing has a conspiracy theory that he's not rightwing.

And you guys do it with WEF, a group founded by right-wing billionaire globalist elites who want to dream up reasons why less government should exist and more control of the world and money should be given to those right-wing billionaire elites. And you look at their ideas for deregulation and removal of government and letting private corporations run rampant, and you say "It's a left wing conspiracy to create a one world government!" Points for idiocy, I guess.

It certainly makes my point about Stalin (which is that if you look at him carefully he doesn't fall at all on the normal left-right political axis and that the things people had the biggest problem with him for were right-wing aligned things he did not left-wing aligned ones) look tame by comparison.

You realize anyone can go on their site and see for themselves what they endorse? To think that they're "rightwing" when they promote climate change policy, LGBTQ tolerance, gender equality, wokeism upside down and sideways and everything that progressive loons like you endorse is pretty nutty.

Though I will say that I'm not entirely sure whether they actually do believe that stuff or just pushing it because progressives like you are easily to duped by it and they use leftists like you to do their bidding. That's always a possibility.

Btw, they also promote "stakeholder capitalism" (a combination of corporation and government = fascism) and they even praise your country as an ideal model...

Ultimately, the stakeholder model Schwab suggests, is one where government, business, and individuals collaborate; where longer-term planning for future generations replaces short-sighted presentism, and where better measures of success allow us to move beyond a myopic focus on GDP and short-term profits.

Schwab concludes by discussing initiatives such as the “Stakeholder Capitalism Metrics”, adopted in 2020 by many of the largest companies in the world, or the Living Standard Framework of the New Zealand government. It is when we apply this model consistently, Schwab writes, that we can build a global economy that works for progress, people and planet.

Are you now going to tell me your country is run by rightwingers? I wouldn't be surprised if you did.

[Starlight]

You realize anyone can go on their site and see for themselves what they endorse? To think that they're "rightwing" when they promote climate change policy, LGBTQ tolerance, gender equality, wokeism upside down and sideways and everything that progressive loons like you endorse is pretty nutty.

Libertarians are right-wing on economics, but liberal on some of the cultural issues. Also there's a term called 'pinkwashing' when megacorps pretend to care about people and use their pretend wokeness on culture issues to distract from the economic harm they are doing.

Btw, they also promote "stakeholder capitalism" (a combination of corporation and government = fascism) and they even praise your country as an ideal model...

They're allowed to have the occasional good idea.

It's not clear to me whether that one is a good idea or a does-nothing idea. The Living Standards Framework basically requires government departments to write more reports, specifically ones about wellbeing of people. Whether anyone actually reads them or uses any of the data produced in those, isn't clear. Theoretically it could lead people to realize policies were having a negative impact they hadn't anticipated, but in practice I haven't heard of it having any impact at all probably because no one is reading the reports. The idea of government departments producing a few more reports is hardly world-changing though and is about the most minor change I can imagine.

Are you now going to tell me your country is run by rightwingers?

I'm not sure that government departments writing one more report each is really a right-wing or left-wing issue.

What passes for our main leftwing party is currently in government here. They've done too little and failed to do anything majorly left wing are going to lose the next election as a result. They pinky-promised they wouldn't keep being neo-liberals and would actually be actual left-wingers, and then governed like neo-liberals. Kindof like the US Dems in that regard.

[firstfloor]

While on the subject of Covid related conspiracy theories, look at what just happened to Adam Fox:

The defendants, drawn together by their association with an armed right-wing group known as the “Wolverine Watchmen,” were motivated in part by beliefs the government was unconstitutionally stripping their freedoms during shutdowns imposed in the early months of the coronavirus pandemic and referred to Whitmer as a “tyrant.”

Fox early on was identified as a leader of the plot. Garbin, who was the first to plead guilty and later became one of federal prosecutors’ key witnesses in the case against Fox and Croft, testified that Fox talked of storming the Michigan Capitol to arrest elected officials and put them on extrajudicial trial for treason.

A “particular elected official would be Governor Gretchen Whitmer,” Garbin testified. “Hang her on public TV for the world to see.”

It’s time to get a grip on reality.

[rogue06]

It's just a place for right-wing super-rich elites to meet and talk about how they can make themselves even richer by making the average person even poorer and encouraging deregulation so governments don't police the elites and let this happen.

Considering the things that they promote and the means to achieving it, they would be better classed as your fellow travelers. Authoritarian leftists (which given your beliefs regarding Stalin, you deny exist).

[rogue06]

I understand that, but I also understand that human are emotional and it can take a bit to switch gears. It's even more difficult for some people, especially if they have bought into the "disagreement=hate" mentality.

It's all a part of growing up or as the current generation calls it "adulting."

[rogue06]

You realize anyone can go on their site and see for themselves what they endorse? To think that they're "rightwing" when they promote climate change policy, LGBTQ tolerance, gender equality, wokeism upside down and sideways and everything that progressive loons like you endorse is pretty nutty.

Though I will say that I'm not entirely sure whether they actually do believe that stuff or just pushing it because progressives like you are easily to duped by it and they use leftists like you to do their bidding. That's always a possibility.

Btw, they also promote "stakeholder capitalism" (a combination of corporation and government = fascism) and they even praise your country as an ideal model...



Are you now going to tell me your country is run by rightwingers? I wouldn't be surprised if you did.

As Sparko observed, star literally believes that the communist tyrant, Joseph Stalin, was actually a rightwinger (and defended that belief a few times as well).

That should tell you all you need to know about how far askew his views are.

[Mountain Man]

Considering the things that they promote and the means to achieving it, they would be better classed as your fellow travelers. Authoritarian leftists (which given your beliefs regarding Stalin, you deny exist).

It's curious how Starlight tries to blame the negative consequences of his leftist ideals on conservatives.

[rogue06]

While on the subject of Covid related conspiracy theories, look at what just happened to Adam Fox:



It’s time to get a grip on reality.

Are you referring to the case where FBI agents literally paid people to come and talk about overthrowing the government, which resulted (IIRC) in at least one of the agents being dismissed?