Here's a solution: don't ask don't tell. Just have someone make your cake for you and then you can decorate it after the fact with rainbows or little figurines of dudes smooching, etc. People just seem to crave drama. There is always a million ways to avoid this kind of tension. Choose your battles wisely.
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Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
Ah but then they could just claim to be discriminated against for being white.
Because that's essentially what gay couples in the bakery case and people against this designer would do. That's the thing - the designer wouldn't be discriminating against them for being gay, they're discriminating against a message that the person wants pushed. I'm sure the designer would have no problem, say, designing a site that is about say selling cars, no matter what the sexual orientation of her client.
It is not based on who the customer is, but what they demand you do. Therefore, the Colorado DA is a moron.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Machinist View PostHere's a solution: don't ask don't tell. Just have someone make your cake for you and then you can decorate it after the fact with rainbows or little figurines of dudes smooching, etc. People just seem to crave drama. There is always a million ways to avoid this kind of tension. Choose your battles wisely.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThat's just the point. These folks are seeking out these fights. How many bakeries/florists/photographers... do you think they contacted before they found one they could sue?
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThat's just the point. These folks are seeking out these fights. How many bakeries/florists/photographers... do you think they contacted before they found one they could sue?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
Ah but then they could just claim to be discriminated against for being white.
Because that's essentially what gay couples in the bakery case and people against this designer would do. That's the thing - the designer wouldn't be discriminating against them for being gay, they're discriminating against a message that the person wants pushed. I'm sure the designer would have no problem, say, designing a site that is about say selling cars, no matter what the sexual orientation of her client.
Again, I'm not issuing judgement on the case, in this situation, I am just explaining the nuance that's there. Like I said, that nuance is being lost by both sides when it comes to what the other side is saying.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
In those cases, the parties would have to be in close proximity to one another - same town, same shop or whatever and involves tangible property or "hands on" labor. (Not an option to obtain that service in another state or location)
That one's better.
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
:) All 3 have that tension though between violating a belief, and some level of protected class discrimination.
Yes, they do.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Machinist View Post
Yeah, or just go elsewhere. It's like they want to be a victim. It's childish.
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Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
The issue at hat is not discrimination of service per se but rather "discrimination" as it relates to the compulsion of speech. Much like baking a cake, web design is inherently a creative and artistic act. Should a Jew be forced to create a wedding web site for a Neo-Nazi wedding on Hitler's birthdays with Nazi images? Are there not other individuals or companies that could create a website for a gay marriage? Should Jewish bakers be compelled to bake birthday cakes for Hitler? Should a gay baker be forced to bake a cake with verses from Leviticus? Should a gay baker be forced to bake a cake celebrating straight pride? If you compel one speech, you must compel all speech. Of course, when would the left play by the same rules?
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
Neo-Nazi is not a protected class. Hitler is not a protected class. Verses from Leviticus is not a protected class. Straight pride is not a protected class. None of this is relevant. This is a desperate smokescreen to justify baseless discrimination. The only compulsion is to treat members of differing protected classes in a neutral way.P1) If , then I win.
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C) I win.
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
Neo-Nazi is not a protected class. Hitler is not a protected class. Verses from Leviticus is not a protected class. Straight pride is not a protected class. None of this is relevant. This is a desperate smokescreen to justify baseless discrimination. The only compulsion is to treat members of differing protected classes in a neutral way.
Nazism is a creed. Verses from Leviticus would fall under "religion" - Straight Pride would be sexual orientation.
(Creed: a set of beliefs or aims which guide someone's actions.)
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