Why is the left having fits about the new Virginia School Requirement?

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Back to my point, a trans man has no idea what it feels like to be a man.

You have previously written:

But not all men do have the same characteristics and preferences.

That comment contradicts your first comment on this post. In other words you have no more idea how another man feels than I can know how another woman feels.

And acting as a stereotypical male does not change that any more than a cross dresser knows what it feels like to be a woman. Along with the fact that a trans male who seeks surgery will never really imitate a biological man makes it all a fool's errand.

Not all trans-men wish to act as a "stereotypical man". If you are referring to surgery that is only an outward effect. It has no impact on feelings because no one can know how any other individual feels.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

This is so bird-brained stupid on so many fronts. Intelligent lifeforms are capable of discerning humor, sarcasm, purposeful generalizations, unintended generalizations....

The only way [via this medium] that we can indicate we are employing sarcasm, humour etc. is by stating we are doing so and/or using the array of emoticons that are available.

We cannot hear or see each other and therefore cannot detect intonation, body language, and facial expressions. I assumed you would have had the common sense to recognise that glaringly obvious fact. It seems I was mistaken.

[CivilDiscourse]

Willful incompetence.

The way it goes is she's going to complain "I don't understand your logic" and every explanation is going to be met with another form of "I don't get your logic". At no point will the misunderstanding be explained, because doing that would actually aid in communication. Instead it will just be a round of "you can't explain your logic, it must be your problem" instead of "i don't understand when you go from X to Y, why did you go there" Of course, that would be because, I expect, that there ISN'T a misunderstanding it's just another tactic to get someone to run around in circles. Hence my reluctance to actually entertain.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

The word "gender" has been mutilated -- it used to be associated with "gender roles", but nobody suggesting hacking off body parts or taking powerful drugs or hormones to physically change the human body.

While [in many situations] I agree with that comment, it should be remembered that many children and young people [particularly in your country] have [for years] been prescribed powerful psychotropic drugs to deal with behavioural issues. That too will have a long term legacy.

Human psychology is also a complex issue.

[rogue06]

The way it goes is she's going to complain "I don't understand your logic" and every explanation is going to be met with another form of "I don't get your logic". At no point will the misunderstanding be explained, because doing that would actually aid in communication. Instead it will just be a round of "you can't explain your logic, it must be your problem" instead of "i don't understand when you go from X to Y, why did you go there" Of course, that would be because, I expect, that there ISN'T a misunderstanding it's just another tactic to get someone to run around in circles. Hence my reluctance to actually entertain.

That, and as I keep saying every time she demonstrates it, basic logic, particularly linear logic, is totally alien to her.

[CivilDiscourse]

That, and as I keep saying every time she demonstrates it, basic logic, particularly linear logic, is totally alien to her.

I think the more plain things she can "misunderstand" the funnier it is...because how do you make 1 + 1 = 2 even more basic? You get frustrated, and she crows victory that you can't explain what you mean....

[seer]

You have previously written:

But not all men do have the same characteristics and preferences.

That comment contradicts your first comment on this post. In other words you have no more idea how another man feels than I can know how another woman feels.

Good grief, all men don't have the same characteristics and preferences, and a non-man does not know how a man feels. Where is the contradiction - be specific please...

Not all trans-men wish to act as a "stereotypical man". If you are referring to surgery that is only an outward effect. It has no impact on feelings because no one can know how any other individual feels.

If a trans man does not identify with stereotypical behavior, then why be a trans man? What are they imitating?

[seer]

...basic logic, particularly linear logic, is totally alien to her.

Well she is a girl, so....

[rogue06]

While [in many situations] I agree with that comment, it should be remembered that many children and young people [particularly in your country] have [for years] been prescribed powerful psychotropic drugs to deal with behavioural issues. That too will have a long term legacy.

Human psychology is also a complex issue.

I doubt you will find many here who support that.

Part of the problem is that in some jurisdictions a teacher's request was enough to get a prescription filled for Ritalin or one of the other similar drugs for the kid. And in a few cases parents got in trouble for objecting.

It was all about making the teacher's job easier. Keeping the class more "manageable" by requiring the more energetic students (overwhelmingly boys) to be kept drugged -- and who cared about long-term effects.



But this is just whataboutism trying to justify bad medical practices based on bad medical practices having taken place before. I hope you are never scheduled for surgery by a doctor with that view.

[rogue06]

Well she is a girl, so....

Make sure you keep socially distancing. I don't want to be collateral damage.

[seer]

Make sure you keep socially distancing. I don't want to be collateral damage.

But you told me to say that!

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

I doubt you will find many here who support that.

Part of the problem is that in some jurisdictions a teacher's request was enough to get a prescription filled for Ritalin or one of the other similar drugs for the kid. And in a few cases parents got in trouble for objecting.

It was all about making the teacher's job easier. Keeping the class more "manageable" by requiring the more energetic students (overwhelmingly boys) to be kept drugged -- and who cared about long-term effects.



But this is just whataboutism trying to justify bad medical practices based on bad medical practices having taken place before. I hope you are never scheduled for surgery by a doctor with that view.

I recommend you read this. A very interesting work. Unfortunately, I lent out my copy and never got it back!





The whole issue of gender politics is complex. That is a fact. And as Mencken noted "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong."

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Good grief, all men don't have the same characteristics and preferences, and a non-man does not know how a man feels. Where is the contradiction - be specific please...

If all men do not have the same preferences and characteristics, no one can know how any other man feels about his preferences nor his characteristics.

If a trans man does not identify with stereotypical behavior, then why be a trans man? What are they imitating?

Why assume they are imitating? Is there [in reality] a stereotypical man?

[Cow Poke]

While [in many situations] I agree with that comment, it should be remembered that many children and young people [particularly in your country] have [for years] been prescribed powerful psychotropic drugs to deal with behavioural issues.

Yes, and you can lay much of that at the feet of the public school system.

That too will have a long term legacy.

Many of the 'school shooters' were on such drugs.

Human psychology is also a complex issue.

This seems to be yet another of your many tactics --- when you can't defend a position, you go to "it's complex".

[Cow Poke]

...

The whole issue of gender politics is complex. That is a fact.

Yup.... here we go again.... "it's complex". It's your way of showing your inability to discuss things rationally.

And as Mencken noted "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong."

This is called an opinion.