The revolution will eat you

[Darth Ovious]

Really? Where are these polls, and who did they poll, specifically? And what muslims were they referring to? The vast majority who live in western society quite peacefully & don't blow anyone up, or ISIS specifically?

In the UK we are fine for the moment but Sweden is a whole different story. I think it's more to do with background environment of the country they are from. I don't want to say that Islam doesn't play any part in it at all but it's also true when you say that we do have peaceful Muslims here.

[MaxVel]

You know that liberals and atheists have been referring to evangelicals in the US as "the Christian Taliban" for years now and calling your attempts to establish religiously based laws in the US "Christian Sharia"? From the point of view of many of us very little separates you guys from the nuttiest of the Muslims.

Which should show you that your ;point of view doesn't give you an accurate grip on reality. I'm no fan of religious laws, but if you seriously think American Christians and the Taliban are even close in how they would act if in power... ...you're so far out the train doesn't even run there.

[Tassman]

You shall not murder.
You shall not steal.
You shall not commit perjury.

Which one of these these "religiously based laws" shall we get rid of first?

[Tassman]

Which should show you that your ;point of view doesn't give you an accurate grip on reality. I'm no fan of religious laws, but if you seriously think American Christians and the Taliban are even close in how they would act if in power... ...you're so far out the train doesn't even run there.

The comparison is not between Christianity and Islam as such, but the extreme fundamentalist sub-sections of both religions. Christian Dominionism is not so far removed from Islamic extremism in actuality. Both believe that God has called adherents to exercise dominion over society by taking control of political and cultural institutions...by force if necessary.

http://www.politicalresearch.org/201....Dk45T5OL.dpbs

[MaxVel]

The comparison is not between Christianity and Islam as such, but the extreme fundamentalist sub-sections of both religions.

False. Read Starlight's post, which I quoted.

You know that liberals and atheists have been referring to evangelicals in the US as "the Christian Taliban" for years now and calling your attempts to establish religiously based laws in the US "Christian Sharia"? From the point of view of many of us very little separates you guys from the nuttiest of the Muslims.

He compares evangelicals (as a group) and "you guys" i.e. posters on this board with "the nuttiest of the Muslims", saying that very little separates the two groups.

Christian Dominionism is not so far removed from Islamic extremism in actuality.

How many people have been killed by self-identified Christian Dominionists in the last year?

That's the actuality that you should care about.

Both believe that God has called adherents to exercise dominion over society by taking control of political and cultural institutions...by force if necessary.

http://www.politicalresearch.org/201....Dk45T5OL.dpbs

A typically unbiased source....

[Tassman]

How many people have been killed by self-identified Christian Dominionists in the last year?

That's the actuality that you should care about.

''The Christian goal for the world is the universal development of Biblical theocratic republics, in which every area of life is redeemed and placed under the Lordship of Jesus Christ and the rule of God's law.''

More broadly, Reconstructionists believe that there are three main areas of governance: family government, church government, and civil government. Under God's covenant, the nuclear family is the basic unit. The husband is the head of the family, and wife and children are ''in submission'' to him. In turn, the husband ''submits'' to Jesus and to God's laws as detailed in the Old Testament. The church has its own ecclesiastical structure and governance. Civil government exists to implement God's laws. All three institutions are under Biblical Law, the implementation of which is called ''theonomy.''

http://www.apologeticsindex.org/r10.html

Just change the God and the name of the religion and you have ISIS

[MaxVel]

''The Christian goal for the world is the universal development of Biblical theocratic republics, in which every area of life is redeemed and placed under the Lordship of Jesus Christ and the rule of God's law.''

More broadly, Reconstructionists believe that there are three main areas of governance: family government, church government, and civil government. Under God's covenant, the nuclear family is the basic unit. The husband is the head of the family, and wife and children are ''in submission'' to him. In turn, the husband ''submits'' to Jesus and to God's laws as detailed in the Old Testament. The church has its own ecclesiastical structure and governance. Civil government exists to implement God's laws. All three institutions are under Biblical Law, the implementation of which is called ''theonomy.''

http://www.apologeticsindex.org/r10.html

Just change the God and the name of the religion and you have ISIS

Since you can't stay on any topic, even one that's not the topic of the thread, we're done here. Please don't post in this thread any more.

[MaxVel]

Thanks to those who expressed their rejection of the use of violence to quench political opposition and dialogue.

Interesting that some can't simply say that it's wrong, but reach for excuses and justifications and finger-pointing at 'the other side'. I say it's wrong, whoever does it.


A question: Have we reached the peak of violent opposition to the new President and his actions, or not? Was Berkeley the worst we will see? Will things cool off slowly now? What do people think?

[Tassman]

Since you can't stay on any topic, even one that's not the topic of the thread, we're done here. Please don't post in this thread any more.

Just answering your question Max. You asked "How many people have been killed by self-identified Christian Dominionists in the last year". But, in deference to your wishes, I'm outta here.

[MaxVel]

Just answering your question Max. You asked "How many people have been killed by self-identified Christian Dominionists in the last year". But, in deference to your wishes, I'm outta here.

1. Your stuff about Christian Dominionists was off topic to begin with.

2. You didn't actually answer the question, but diverted, which is why I asked you to leave the thread.

[One Bad Pig]

Thanks to those who expressed their rejection of the use of violence to quench political opposition and dialogue.

Interesting that some can't simply say that it's wrong, but reach for excuses and justifications and finger-pointing at 'the other side'. I say it's wrong, whoever does it.


A question: Have we reached the peak of violent opposition to the new President and his actions, or not? Was Berkeley the worst we will see? Will things cool off slowly now? What do people think?

We haven't gotten through Trump's cabinet nominations yet, let alone new legislation. The only thing that's stopped Trump so far is an activist judge backed up by an activist Ninth Circuit (which has more decisions by far overturned by the Supreme Court than any other appellate court). As the extreme left (which agitated against Obama) gets frustrated with the lack of the ability of Democrats in Congress to stop anything, it may get worse.

[Roy]

Which goes with recent polls that shows that something like 2/3 of liberals think Christians are at least as violent as Muslims.

It was a poll conducted by CBS and released February 3 where 66% of Democrat respondents said that the Islamic Religion does not encourages violence any more than other religions (such as Christianity, Judaism or Buddhism). 14% said it did encourage violence more. In contrast 63% of Republicans say it does encourage more violence with 25% saying it doesn't.

Those aren't the same thing.

[Roy]

Thanks A question: Have we reached the peak of violent opposition to the new President and his actions, or not? Was Berkeley the worst we will see? Will things cool off slowly now? What do people think?

I think it's impossible to tell. It will depend on the president's future actions: it may subside, it may get much worse.

It's possible that he is currently pushing the boundaries, in which case the future will depend on how much resistance he encounters now.