Trump: Only stupid people don't want relationship with Russia

[Mountain Man]

It's so hard to tell the difference between liberal ignornace and biting sarcasm.

Is this how it's going to be for the next four-years? Whenever liberals don't get their way, they're going to blame it on the Russians? This could be amusing.

[shunyadragon]

Derp.

There are medications and therapy that can help your unfortunate condition. If you had a stroke you may just have to live with it.

[Sparko]

Putin is no friend of the United States.

so the USA should only try to keep good relations with countries that it has good relations with? derp

He has used his state media and an army of hackers and social-media trolls to spread disinformation in the US, in Europe and in Britain before the Brexit vote.

Or at least that is your story and you are sticking to it, right?

His goals are to weaken The USA, European unity and the NATO alliance.

Probably. So that means the USA should try to piss him off more and have BAD relations with Russia, because that will solve the whole problem, right?

Do you know what "diplomacy" is, Tassman? Or why it is preferred to war? I thought you were a pacifist like Starlight? Yet you keep arguing against the USA trying to have better relationships with Russia. You realize if there were a war between the USA and Russia, that Australia would be caught in the middle as would the rest of the world. I hope you have a nice warm coat when nuclear winter hits the outback.

[Mountain Man]

so the USA should only try to keep good relations with countries that it has good relations with? derp

Liberals apparently think that having good diplomatic relations with a foreign power requires that the respective leaders be BFF. But I guess that's the perspective they have after 8-years of Obama literally groveling before foreign leaders and constantly apologizing for America's success and prosperity.

[Sparko]

Liberals apparently think that having good diplomatic relations with a foreign power requires that the respective leaders be BFF. But I guess that's the perspective they have after 8-years of Obama literally groveling before foreign leaders and constantly apologizing for America's success and prosperity.

I am curious to see what Starlight thinks about whether the USA should try to have good relations with Russia or not. He is the super pacifist who complains about how evil America is, sending troops everywhere and pushing everyone around with our military power.

[Cow Poke]

Liberals apparently think that having good diplomatic relations with a foreign power requires that the respective leaders be BFF. But I guess that's the perspective they have after 8-years of Obama literally groveling before foreign leaders and constantly apologizing for America's success and prosperity.

It's like a public classroom teacher (or a parent) who is more concerned about being liked than respected.

[Mountain Man]

It's like a public classroom teacher (or a parent) who is more concerned about being liked than respected.

It's like my wife tells my kids: "I'll be your friend when you're 20. Right now, I'm your mother."

[Cow Poke]

It's like my wife tells my kids: "I'll be your friend when you're 20. Right now, I'm your mother."

My daughter gave my wife a plaque that says "First my Mother, then my Best Friend".

[MaxVel]

For the sarcastically impaired the following is said in jest

At last a Shunya post with some real content!

There are medications and therapy that can help your unfortunate condition.

There's medication that can make you stop being a pompous, boring ass? There's a pill that will stop you filling whole boards with your poop? Can you please take a whole fistful of them, then?

If you had a stroke you may just have to live with it.

I gave my dog a stroke. He liked it. I can live with that.

[elam]

...if there were a war between the USA and Russia, that Australia would be caught in the middle as would the rest of the world. I hope you have a nice warm coat when nuclear winter hits the outback.

Way back when during the Cold War when everybody was scaed about the USA & Russia nuking each other a top US general did some calculations (wind shift etc) to figure the safest place on earth should the event happen. He retired to somewhere in the far northwest of NSW.

Well that was the position back in the days before the telcom spy station (and drone control facility) known as Pine Gap was built and the Darwin rotations...

[One Bad Pig]

It's like a public classroom teacher (or a parent) who is more concerned about being liked than respected.

The WaPo Express is worried that Trump's tweet will be taken as a sign of weakness by Putin.

It's amazing how that's suddenly a concern now that there's a non-liberal administration coming to power.

[elam]

The WaPo Express is worried that Trump's tweet will be taken as a sign of weakness by Putin.

It's amazing how that's suddenly a concern now that there's a non-liberal administration coming to power.

Twitter is banned in China, I think they have a home grown equivalent.

The Chinese press have been psycho-analysing Trump's use of Twitter They aren't at all complimentary about Trumps preferred communication method. I recall words like childish, immature - needs afirmation and attention etc

In my periodic monitoring of the world press I haven't detected the Russian press saying anything derogatory as yet...

[Tassman]

so the USA should only try to keep good relations with countries that it has good relations with?

US relations with foreign powers should, as per ALL sovereign nations, be in the best interests of the sovereign nation concerned. This is not the case with Russia. Vladimir Putin is the enemy of the USA.

http://nypost.com/2016/12/11/vladimi...mericas-enemy/

Or at least that is your story and you are sticking to it, right?

Probably. So that means the USA should try to piss him off more and have BAD relations with Russia, because that will solve the whole problem, right?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/1...before-country

[oxmixmudd]

why would having better relations with an enemy not be a good thing? how would having worse relations with Russia be a good thing?

At what cost is the issue. Looking the other way while they pound civilian cities or hack our infrastructure? You do realize the same malware was found in power grid computers - right?

Computer code has a large number of identifying artifacts, many of them not necessarily obvious or even intuitive. And a good deal of what makes our intelligence great and reliable is that out intelligence agencies keep most of these kinds of things secret and don't tell them to everybody else - which is why they don't let everybody know 'how' they know it was the Russians.

If the cost of 'friendship' is surrender - wouldn't that be just a bit too high a cost?


Jim

[Sparko]

US relations with foreign powers should, as per ALL sovereign nations, be in the best interests of the sovereign nation concerned. This is not the case with Russia. Vladimir Putin is the enemy of the USA.

http://nypost.com/2016/12/11/vladimi...mericas-enemy/http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/1...before-country

sigh. Tassman, everyone here knows that no matter what Trump does, you will find it the "wrong thing"

If he is friendly with Russia, why that is him working with the enemy! He must be a Russian plant!
If he is stern and harsh with Russia, why, then he is being careless and is about to get us into a nuclear war! He should never have been trusted with such power!

We should be friendly with them as much as possible, but not let them run all over us. Have a line in the sand. That is what diplomacy is all about. Don't be a door mat, but don't be the instigator either.