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Which ultimately is meaningless. It just shifts the responsibility for total care to another person. A human is not capable of surviving on their own for any significant portion of time until they are well past the toddler stage.
Wrong. The whole separate organism is the actual human person. A brain pattern is one of many required interrelated biological processes. That you elevate one over all of the others for no reason other than your personal preference is immaterial.
Then infants are not independent either. Welcome to Starlight's camp.
actual brain cell activity.
"What gets aborted" in the vast majority of cases is an insensate fetus during the first trimester.
And Public Law 108-212 contradicts that. If you kill a pregnant woman's "insensate fetus", you can be charged with the murder of that fetus under the law. So, you are wrong. The law DOES consider the "insensate fetus" a person, but allows a unique individual (the mother) to kill it at her convenience. Anyone else can be charged under the law. These two will eventually collide once someone from one of the sides has a case to appeal.
That's not the point I was making. I am aware it contains the provision. The point I was making is that the law DOES protect the "insensate fetus" as a separate member of our species with identical punishments as if the crime were committed against anyone else.That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
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Christians looking for abortion services might start by looking up the National Abortion Federation.
-- Apostle Paul, 2nd letter to the CorinthiansThat's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAh, so you're having a problem with linguistics, eh? OK, on what day of development, scientifically, does the baby transition from "insensate fetus" to "not at risk? You kinda dodged that.
Abortion stops a beating heart, Tazzy. I know it may be cliche, but it's also indisputable fact.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThe legal distinction as to when life begins is not a philosophical judgement such as is the religious distinction. The legal distinction is based on the science which in this case isn't conclusive since science can not make that determination conclusively. What the ancients may have thought is irrelevant.
I'll ask you the saems thing i've asked tass what change happens in the DNA at your arbitrary cut off.Last edited by RumTumTugger; 01-05-2017, 12:52 PM.
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Originally posted by TheWall View PostHow could a human not be a person?That's what
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Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by TheWall View PostHow could a human not be a person?Last edited by RumTumTugger; 01-05-2017, 12:39 PM.
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Originally posted by RumTumTugger View PostAsk Tass, starlight and the rest of those who think it is ok to kill an innocent human being before it is out of the womb. and in the case of Starlight months after birth. they think it is ok to dehumanize the weakest members of our species against all Scientific evidence.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/de...on/human_being
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Originally posted by TheWall View PostHow could a human not be a person?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by firstfloor View Posthuman being: A man, woman, or child of the species Homo sapiens, distinguished from other animals by superior mental development, power of articulate speech, and upright stance.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/de...on/human_being
it is funny that the ones falsely accusing BTC and others here of not being scientific and using philosophy are the ones guilty of using philosophy and ignoring Science.
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostAt long last! Congratulations.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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