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Originally posted by Gondwanaland View PostAll Title IX cases she would need to recuse herself from because she can't define woman nor is she a biologist, so how can she make a decision on it? She'd really have to recuse herself from anything to do with "woman's right to choose", because of the same issue.
When it comes to controversial and evolving social issues that seems a much better answer than someone wrongly assuming themselves an expert on the matter because they did one biology class at high school."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostI thought her explanation was quite reasonable: That as a justice, she is used to hearing the evidence presented by both sides and thinking about it and then ruling on it, rather than knowing the answer in advance herself.
When it comes to controversial and evolving social issues that seems a much better answer than someone wrongly assuming themselves an expert on the matter because they did one biology class at high school.
Her answer was a weak attempt to not have to answer a question, and she ended up looking like a moron both ways instead.
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Originally posted by Gondwanaland View PostShe didn't give an explanation. She just said she couldn't answer it without being a biologist.
KBJ: "Senator, in my work as a judge what I do is I address disputes. If there's a dispute about a definition, people make arguments, and I look at the law, and [then] I decide. So I'm not... [the one providing the answers in advance]."
Which in itself shoots transgenderism in the foot as that means gender is biological, not a social construct like transradicals claim."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostVideo.
KBJ: "Senator, in my work as a judge what I do is I address disputes. If there's a dispute about a definition, people make arguments, and I look at the law, and [then] I decide. So I'm not... [the one providing the answers in advance]."
If you think her answer implied a position you support, why are you whining about it?
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
That would only work as an excuse if she hadn't inadvertently trapped herself. Now she's going to be labelled transphobic for the implications of her statement. In other words she got out of the frying pan and into the fire.
Reality just isn't found in either camp.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostShe didn't trap herself. And there needs to be some sense brought into the discussion anyway. A trans person is neither a pervert nor the exact equivalent of the natural gender they identify with. At some point someone has to find a reasonable middle ground that respects both the the science relating to the biology of sex AND the physical and psychological realities that drive a person to be transgender. Right now people are either hostile and abusive to transgender attempts to live according to the gender they identify with, or they are unrealistically accepting, pretending a trans man or women is in all ways the equivalent of their cis gender counterpart.
Reality just isn't found in either camp.
"I learned what the words 'man' and 'woman' meant when I was 4, and don't have the brainpower or interest in rethinking that topic, so I'll just declare my view to be 'science' even though I don't know any science" that so many conservatives seem to jump to is a pretty appalling position. But equally, as you note, people pretending trans and cis people are exactly the same is engaging just as much in delusional wishful thinking."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
Right now people are either hostile and abusive to transgender attempts to live according to the gender they identify with....
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View Post
No one I know is stopping a trans from living as they want. What we are fighting against is the idea that we need to accept their identity, a trans woman is still a man, he is a he, not a she and the laws that are allowing biological males to use the girls rest rooms and showers, and allowing biological males to compete in women's sports. And the trans propaganda that is seeping into public schools at ever earlier grades. No Jim, the right did not start this war.
However, you are acting as if the sorts of mockery that fills this thread is of no consequence. Or the declarations you will never use their pronouns. You probably don't care, but the simple reality is if you ever have a trans child and you want to increase the likelyhood they will become suicidal, refuse to use their preferred pronouns. That isn't just orooaganda, or what 'liberals' want you to believe, it is the simple reality of what trans is
Trans people are most importantly people. And as people, even if Christians struggle to reconcile what science has to say about what trans is wrt OT injunctions not to allow cross dressing, they still deserve the basics of respect and kindness and love from Christian people. We are not here as judges of people in the world. We are here to hold out the Gospel, the hope of eternal life in Christ.
And refusing to use their pronouns as they ask or mocking them is the opposite of respect, love, or kindness.Last edited by oxmixmudd; 04-10-2022, 07:53 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
Trans people are most importantly people. And as people, even if Christians struggle to reconcile what science has to say about what trans is wrt OT injunctions not to allow cross dressing, they still deserve the basics of respect and kindness and love from Christian people. We are not here as judges of people in the world. We are here to hold out the Gospel, the hope of eternal life in Christ.
And refusing to use their pronouns as they ask or mocking them is the opposite of respect, love, or kindness.
1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
Affirming that the false is true doesn't achieve any good outcome.
Take a re-married divorced person. This person, depending on your interpretation of the bible's stance on divorce, is committing adultery, and is still married to their original spouse. Can you imagine someone constantly refusing to refer to their current spouse as their "husband/wife" because that would be a lie, and constantly reminding them that they are having an affair? Or when the person is dating, someone keeps telling them "you should go back to your husband/wife".
To me, it reeks of the excuse I hear people say when they go "It's not rude if it's the truth."
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
She didn't trap herself. And there needs to be some sense brought into the discussion anyway. A trans person is neither a pervert nor the exact equivalent of the natural gender they identify with. At some point someone has to find a reasonable middle ground that respects both the the science relating to the biology of sex AND the physical and psychological realities that drive a person to be transgender. Right now people are either hostile and abusive to transgender attempts to live according to the gender they identify with, or they are unrealistically accepting, pretending a trans man or women is in all ways the equivalent of their cis gender counterpart.
Reality just isn't found in either camp.
My position is closer to yours regarding transgender individuals than many on this board. Gender Dysphoria is terrible for your mental health. The only treatment said to relieve it is transitioning. For those not willing to do that there isn't much they can do.
*Trans exclusionary radical feminist for those who don't know.
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
I'm torn on this statement. The problem I have is that common sense says that if you take that tactic with other stuff, you would rightly be considered a horrible person.
Take a re-married divorced person. This person, depending on your interpretation of the bible's stance on divorce, is committing adultery, and is still married to their original spouse. Can you imagine someone constantly refusing to refer to their current spouse as their "husband/wife" because that would be a lie, and constantly reminding them that they are having an affair? Or when the person is dating, someone keeps telling them "you should go back to your husband/wife".
To me, it reeks of the excuse I hear people say when they go "It's not rude if it's the truth."
The pronouncement on divorce is not as clear cut as people make it out to be, but it is not the free for all that came to be allowable under the law of Moses, and certainly nothing to be considered lightly -
Jesus (thankfully) stopped just a hair-breadth short of actually prohibiting divorce except for circumstances of infidelity, otherwise domestic violence (and other issues) would not be valid grounds for divorce.
1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
It can be rude if it is the truth, assuredly. I recall someone being told many years ago (with the actual language tidied) that he was not being opposed for telling the truth, but for using the truth as a weapon in the most offensive way possible.
The pronouncement on divorce is not as clear cut as people make it out to be, but it is not the free for all that came to be allowable under the law of Moses, and certainly nothing to be considered lightly -
Jesus (thankfully) stopped just a hair-breadth short of actually prohibiting divorce except for circumstances of infidelity, otherwise domestic violence (and other issues) would not be valid grounds for divorce.
Which goes back to what I was saying:
Can you imagine someone constantly refusing to refer to their current spouse as their "husband/wife" because "that would be a lie", and constantly reminding them that they are having an affair? Or when the person is dating, someone keeps telling them "you should go back to your husband/wife".
I see dealing with Transgender people the same way. Constantly "correcting" them (or whatever you want to call it), just makes the person doing so an unpleasant person to be around.
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
As I said, depending on your interpretation of the bible's stance on divorce. Christian sects have different stances on what they believe the truth of that statement is. Yours may or may not match the catholic interpretation, or the English Orthodox, etc. Each person also believes their interpretation is the truth.
Which goes back to what I was saying:
Can you imagine someone constantly refusing to refer to their current spouse as their "husband/wife" because "that would be a lie", and constantly reminding them that they are having an affair? Or when the person is dating, someone keeps telling them "you should go back to your husband/wife".
I see dealing with Transgender people the same way. Constantly "correcting" them (or whatever you want to call it), just makes the person doing so an unpleasant person to be around.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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