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[Starlight]

John 7:24 says "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."

"Judge not, that ye be not judged." Matthew 7:1
"Judge not, and ye shall not be judged." Luke 6:37
"Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself" Rom 2:1
"But why dost thou judge thy brother?" Rom 14:10
"Who art thou that judgest another?" James 4:12

It's almost like Jesus and the NT writers had something against judging others.

[JonathanL]

"Judge not, that ye be not judged." Matthew 7:1
"Judge not, and ye shall not be judged." Luke 6:37
"Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself" Rom 2:1
"But why dost thou judge thy brother?" Rom 14:10
"Who art thou that judgest another?" James 4:12

It's almost like Jesus and the NT writers had something against judging others.

Matthew 7:1-5 and Luke 6:37 are not blanket statements against all judging, but simply against hypocritical judgement. In other words, don't be a sanctimonious jerk who goes around pointing out the fault of others without being aware of and trying to fix your own personal shortcomings

Rom 2 is part of a bigger framework of Paul's where he is showing us that all men are sinful before God. He is not arguing against judging others, he's arguing against judging others as if you yourself were blameless.

Rom 14:10 is about judging others with regards to non-essentials of the faith

AFAICS, James 4:12 is an admonition against slandering another brother (verse 11 states in the ESV version "Do not speak evil against one another, brothers"

So, not a single verse you brought up gives support for the notion that the bible forbids the kind of judging that firstfloor supposes it forbids.

[Starlight]

Matthew 7:1-5 and Luke 6:37 are not blanket statements against all judging, but simply against hypocritical judgement. In other words, don't be a sanctimonious jerk who goes around pointing out the fault of others without being aware of and trying to fix your own personal shortcomings

Rom 2 is part of a bigger framework of Paul's where he is showing us that all men are sinful before God. He is not arguing against judging others, he's arguing against judging others as if you yourself were blameless.

Rom 14:10 is about judging others with regards to non-essentials of the faith

AFAICS, James 4:12 is an admonition against slandering another brother (verse 11 states in the ESV version "Do not speak evil against one another, brothers"

So, not a single verse you brought up gives support for the notion that the bible forbids the kind of judging that firstfloor supposes it forbids.

It's always interesting seeing the stark contrast between Christianity and TWebbian "Christianity".

[JonathanL]

It's always interesting seeing the stark contrast between Christianity and TWebbian "Christianity".

You mean the stark contrast between the sort of Christianity where you try to force your own pre-conceived notions into the text, i.e liberal Christianity, and the type of Christianity where you try change your ideas based on what the text is actually saying, i.e orthodox Christianity?

[firstfloor]

Yes He did. John 7:24 says "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."

[Bill the Cat]

Is there any real help for you?

[Bill the Cat]

"Judge not, that ye be not judged." Matthew 7:1
"Judge not, and ye shall not be judged." Luke 6:37
"Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself" Rom 2:1
"But why dost thou judge thy brother?" Rom 14:10
"Who art thou that judgest another?" James 4:12

It's almost like Jesus and the NT writers had something against judging others.

More like you are biblically illiterate.

[Adrift]

You mean the stark contrast between the sort of Christianity where you try to force your own pre-conceived notions into the text, i.e liberal Christianity, and the type of Christianity where you try change your ideas based on what the text is actually saying, i.e orthodox Christianity?

And he claims to have been an apologist before becoming an atheist. No wonder he apostatized.

[Sparko]

And he claims to have been an apologist before becoming an atheist. No wonder he apostatized.

You mean "ze claims to be" and "ze apostatized" right?

[firstfloor]

Is there any real help for you?

[Bill the Cat]

Irony at its finest right there folks...

[firstfloor]

Irony at its finest right there folks...

I would have to say that my remarks are neither ironic nor sarcastic. Clearly your befuddlement has reached maximum strength and you need to lie down for a bit.

[Cow Poke]

I would have to say that my remarks are neither ironic nor sarcastic.

It is not at all unusual for the person who committed the irony to be incapable of seeing or admitting to having committed the act.

Clearly your befuddlement has reached maximum strength and you need to lie down for a bit.

I may take a nap "just because".

[Bill the Cat]

I would have to say that my remarks are neither ironic nor sarcastic.

Here, I'll hold your widdle hand...

When you decry someone as "hateful" and at the same time call them "rotten scheming scoundrels", that is a clear example of irony.

Clearly your befuddlement has reached maximum strength and you need to lie down for a bit.

Clearly your grasp of the English language is tenuous at best.

[firstfloor]

Here, I'll hold your widdle hand...

When you decry someone as "hateful" and at the same time call them "rotten scheming scoundrels", that is a clear example of irony.



Clearly your grasp of the English language is tenuous at best.

You must be so fed up being right all the time - that's irony.