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    https://theconversation.com/claims-t...vaccine-171521

    Claims that COVID jabs can be used to track you with ‘luciferase’ are false – the substance isn’t even in the vaccine


    Emerald Robinson, the White House correspondent for the conservative news network Newsmax, recently tweeted that Moderna’s COVID vaccine contains luciferase “so that you can be tracked”. “Read the last book of the New Testament to see how this ends,” she added.

    This claim, which was later deleted, echoes claims previously made on Facebook such as: “MODERNA VACCINE CONTAINS ‘LUCIFERIN’ IN A 66.6 SOLUTION. YOU CAN’T MAKE THIS STUFF UP”.

    Luciferase and luciferin, when used together, are useful tools in the early prototyping of drugs and vaccines. However, neither are in the COVID vaccines that have been safely administered to more than half of the world’s population.

    Luciferase is an enzyme that causes luciferin, an organic compound, to release light, and this release of light gives luciferase and luciferin their names. The derivative of these names, the Latin word lucifer, means light-bearer. Lucifer can also mean “morning star” and coincidentally is the fallen archangel’s name before he becomes the devil in Christian tradition.

    The light-releasing reaction of luciferase and luciferin is what allows fireflies to glow. Luciferases are also naturally found in several other glowing organisms, including some types of jellyfish, mushrooms, bacteria and various sea organisms.

    Although these glowing organisms have been admired and studied since ancient times, is credited with first identifying (and naming) luciferase and luciferin and determining their relative roles in the light-emitting reaction at the end of the 19th century.

    Pure luciferase was first successfully collected from fireflies in the 1940s. And Osamu Shimomura was the first to successfully isolate pure luciferin from “sea fireflies”, small sea crustaceans called Cyrpina, in 1955. Shimomura would later win the Nobel prize in chemistry in 2008 for his discovery of another light-emitting marker called green fluorescent protein, naturally found in certain types of jellyfish.

    It took several decades before the genetic blueprints for making luciferase were identified in the 1980s. The identification of the genes containing the instructions for making luciferase and a growing repertoire of light-emitting markers fuelled many discoveries that pinpointed how different biological processes work and where they happen, such as lighting up the specific location where a particular gene is turned on.

    How they are used in vaccine development

    All the current COVID vaccines use the spike protein, which sits on the outside of the coronavirus, to train the recipient’s immune system to recognise and destroy anything that looks the same. The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines do this by delivering messenger RNA (mRNA) instructions to make the spike protein, and human cells are used as factories that produce the spike protein. If the person is infected with the actual coronavirus in the future, their immune system is primed to deal with it.

    The mRNA can’t be injected directly into the body, though. It needs to be packaged in a lipid coating.

    Early testing of how effective the lipid (Moderna, Pfizer) delivery systems were at entering cells was conducted by adding directions to make luciferase as part of the mRNA payload. If the vaccine delivery systems were successful at delivering the instructions for luciferase, a glowing reaction would occur when luciferin was added.

    This type of testing is useful for finding out how effective these delivery systems are and where they go in early animal studies. But they are only used to optimise the vaccine formulations and are never used in people.

    … and COVID tests

    In 2020, groups at the University of Texas, the University of Southern Florida, and elsewhere have also used luciferase and luciferin to create rapid lab-based methods for diagnosing COVID, screening the efficacy of different COVID patients’ antibodies as well as testing the efficacy of antiviral drugs and vaccines.

    For these tests, instructions for making luciferase were added to viruses that resemble the coronavirus. If luciferin is then added and the luciferase-containing virus has successfully infected cells, light should be emitted from the infected cells.

    If blood is taken from a patient who has antibodies against COVID, either through vaccination or infection, these antibodies in the blood will block the luciferase-containing viruses from infecting cells and no light should be produced. These types of lab-based tests were among some of the methods used in early assessments of how effective the Moderna COVID vaccine was in mice, the Pfizer vaccine was in humans and the AstraZeneca vaccine was in hamsters. Similarly, the antiviral effects of drugs like remdesivir were assessed using this method. None of these tests involved luciferase or luciferin being injected into humans.

    The ingredients for every COVID vaccine are publicly available. None of the ingredients for the Moderna, Pfizer, Janssen, and AstraZeneca COVID vaccines contain luciferase or luciferin.
    "It ain't necessarily so
    The things that you're liable
    To read in the Bible
    It ain't necessarily so
    ."

    Sportin' Life
    Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

  • #2
    Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
    <debate by proxy snipped>
    You know the drill by now. You posted a thread without taking a stand.

    At this point you should understand nobody is going to engage with you in debate by proxy or shadowboxing your articles. You can go ahead and post your own opinion WRT to the article, or just let this be ignored.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
      https://theconversation.com/claims-t...vaccine-171521

      Claims that COVID jabs can be used to track you with ‘luciferase’ are false – the substance isn’t even in the vaccine


      Emerald Robinson, the White House correspondent for the conservative news network Newsmax, recently tweeted that Moderna’s COVID vaccine contains luciferase “so that you can be tracked”. “Read the last book of the New Testament to see how this ends,” she added.

      This claim, which was later deleted, echoes claims previously made on Facebook such as: “MODERNA VACCINE CONTAINS ‘LUCIFERIN’ IN A 66.6 SOLUTION. YOU CAN’T MAKE THIS STUFF UP”.

      Luciferase and luciferin, when used together, are useful tools in the early prototyping of drugs and vaccines. However, neither are in the COVID vaccines that have been safely administered to more than half of the world’s population.

      Luciferase is an enzyme that causes luciferin, an organic compound, to release light, and this release of light gives luciferase and luciferin their names. The derivative of these names, the Latin word lucifer, means light-bearer. Lucifer can also mean “morning star” and coincidentally is the fallen archangel’s name before he becomes the devil in Christian tradition.

      The light-releasing reaction of luciferase and luciferin is what allows fireflies to glow. Luciferases are also naturally found in several other glowing organisms, including some types of jellyfish, mushrooms, bacteria and various sea organisms.

      Although these glowing organisms have been admired and studied since ancient times, is credited with first identifying (and naming) luciferase and luciferin and determining their relative roles in the light-emitting reaction at the end of the 19th century.

      Pure luciferase was first successfully collected from fireflies in the 1940s. And Osamu Shimomura was the first to successfully isolate pure luciferin from “sea fireflies”, small sea crustaceans called Cyrpina, in 1955. Shimomura would later win the Nobel prize in chemistry in 2008 for his discovery of another light-emitting marker called green fluorescent protein, naturally found in certain types of jellyfish.

      It took several decades before the genetic blueprints for making luciferase were identified in the 1980s. The identification of the genes containing the instructions for making luciferase and a growing repertoire of light-emitting markers fuelled many discoveries that pinpointed how different biological processes work and where they happen, such as lighting up the specific location where a particular gene is turned on.

      How they are used in vaccine development

      All the current COVID vaccines use the spike protein, which sits on the outside of the coronavirus, to train the recipient’s immune system to recognise and destroy anything that looks the same. The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines do this by delivering messenger RNA (mRNA) instructions to make the spike protein, and human cells are used as factories that produce the spike protein. If the person is infected with the actual coronavirus in the future, their immune system is primed to deal with it.

      The mRNA can’t be injected directly into the body, though. It needs to be packaged in a lipid coating.

      Early testing of how effective the lipid (Moderna, Pfizer) delivery systems were at entering cells was conducted by adding directions to make luciferase as part of the mRNA payload. If the vaccine delivery systems were successful at delivering the instructions for luciferase, a glowing reaction would occur when luciferin was added.

      This type of testing is useful for finding out how effective these delivery systems are and where they go in early animal studies. But they are only used to optimise the vaccine formulations and are never used in people.

      … and COVID tests

      In 2020, groups at the University of Texas, the University of Southern Florida, and elsewhere have also used luciferase and luciferin to create rapid lab-based methods for diagnosing COVID, screening the efficacy of different COVID patients’ antibodies as well as testing the efficacy of antiviral drugs and vaccines.

      For these tests, instructions for making luciferase were added to viruses that resemble the coronavirus. If luciferin is then added and the luciferase-containing virus has successfully infected cells, light should be emitted from the infected cells.

      If blood is taken from a patient who has antibodies against COVID, either through vaccination or infection, these antibodies in the blood will block the luciferase-containing viruses from infecting cells and no light should be produced. These types of lab-based tests were among some of the methods used in early assessments of how effective the Moderna COVID vaccine was in mice, the Pfizer vaccine was in humans and the AstraZeneca vaccine was in hamsters. Similarly, the antiviral effects of drugs like remdesivir were assessed using this method. None of these tests involved luciferase or luciferin being injected into humans.

      The ingredients for every COVID vaccine are publicly available. None of the ingredients for the Moderna, Pfizer, Janssen, and AstraZeneca COVID vaccines contain luciferase or luciferin.
      So what is your view on this or is this just another thread you start claiming not to have a position on?

      I'm always still in trouble again

      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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      • #4
        We should assume H_A agrees with the premise that the COVID vaccine is a tool of Satan unless she states otherwise.

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        • #5
          Also the correct idiom is "live under a ROCK" not under a STONE.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
            Also the correct idiom is "live under a ROCK" not under a STONE.
            Reminds me of Ziva on NCIS! And maybe for the same reason.

            ‘NCIS’ Fans Reveal The All-Time Funniest ‘Ziva-Isms’

            1. “Can I take a bat nap?”
            2. “Once in a Blue Lagoon.”
            3. “You and McGee are going though a seven-year [female dog reference].”




            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

              Reminds me of Ziva on NCIS! And maybe for the same reason.

              ‘NCIS’ Fans Reveal The All-Time Funniest ‘Ziva-Isms’

              1. “Can I take a bat nap?”
              2. “Once in a Blue Lagoon.”
              3. “You and McGee are going though a seven-year [female dog reference].”
              Those are the sort of mistakes someone who is hard of hearing would make.

              I'm always still in trouble again

              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

              Comment


              • #8
                Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                Also the correct idiom is "live under a ROCK" not under a STONE.
                That depends on the size of the stone!

                However, in reply to the other contributors. It never ceases to amaze me how individuals in technologically advanced countries still peddle [and believe] such nonsense. It simply beggars belief.

                It's not just the USA of course although being a larger population it tends to have more wackos. We are as bad. https://www.dw.com/en/germany-conspi...ies/a-54834488

                About one-third of people in Germany believe that "secret powers" control the world, according to a new poll published on Sunday.

                Some 11% of respondents said it was "definitely true" that secret powers control the world, while 19% said it was probably true.

                Of those who thought the world is controlled by a secret elite, 13% said the shadowy groups included commercial enterprises, banks or "the financial capital."



                What on earth has happened to common sense and rational thinking?
                "It ain't necessarily so
                The things that you're liable
                To read in the Bible
                It ain't necessarily so
                ."

                Sportin' Life
                Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                  That depends on the size of the stone!

                  However, in reply to the other contributors. ....
                  Yet another vague cowardly reference to others, followed by the usual nonsense bloviating.

                  Woman - if you have a charge to make, then MAKE IT, and stop being such an insolent boob!

                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                    Reminds me of Ziva on NCIS! And maybe for the same reason.

                    ‘NCIS’ Fans Reveal The All-Time Funniest ‘Ziva-Isms’

                    1. “Can I take a bat nap?”
                    2. “Once in a Blue Lagoon.”
                    3. “You and McGee are going though a seven-year [female dog reference].”



                    My mom was German and she would mix up sayings and words like that all the time.

                    My brother had a Dodge Intrepid and my mom would call it the "inbreded" - and when Taco Bell came out with the Chalupa, she called it the Jalopy.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                      What on earth has happened to common sense and rational thinking?
                      You might actually try to model some!

                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                        That depends on the size of the stone!

                        However, in reply to the other contributors. It never ceases to amaze me how individuals in technologically advanced countries still peddle [and believe] such nonsense. It simply beggars belief.

                        It's not just the USA of course although being a larger population it tends to have more wackos. We are as bad. https://www.dw.com/en/germany-conspi...ies/a-54834488

                        About one-third of people in Germany believe that "secret powers" control the world, according to a new poll published on Sunday.

                        Some 11% of respondents said it was "definitely true" that secret powers control the world, while 19% said it was probably true.

                        Of those who thought the world is controlled by a secret elite, 13% said the shadowy groups included commercial enterprises, banks or "the financial capital."



                        What on earth has happened to common sense and rational thinking?
                        Nothing new. Things have been like this for as long as I can remember. The only thing that changes is the name of the group in charge. Anyone here remember when it was the Trilateral commission?

                        I'm always still in trouble again

                        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                          Nothing new. Things have been like this for as long as I can remember. The only thing that changes is the name of the group in charge. Anyone here remember when it was the Trilateral commission?
                          And the Knights Templar, and the MASONS, and the (what was the skull society one?)....
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                            And the Knights Templar, and the MASONS, and the (what was the skull society one?)....
                            Skull and Bones (a Yale group).

                            I'm always still in trouble again

                            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                              Also the correct idiom is "live under a ROCK" not under a STONE.
                              I'm reminded of a scene from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy where Arthur Dent and Ford Prefect are trapped under a large rock on pre-historic Earth.

                              Arthur: What are you doing?
                              Ford: I'm- I'm trying to feel the rock above us.
                              Arthur: Why?
                              Ford: Because I think it's humming. Why would a rock hum?
                              Arthur: Perhaps it feels very content.
                              Ford: No, I mean it's vibrating. I think it's a mechanical rock!
                              Arthur: Who would want a mechanical rock?
                              Ford: Another mechanical rock?

                              Turns out the rock is really a spaceship, and they are saved from certain death when the occupant opens the hatch and allows them aboard.
                              Last edited by Mountain Man; 11-19-2021, 10:59 AM.
                              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                              Than a fool in the eyes of God


                              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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