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  • Robber Baron? Or capitalism in action?

    I know what I think of Mr Bezos but that is not printable.

    https://www.theregister.com/2021/11/...n_drivers_tips

    America's consumer watchdog has sent checks totaling nearly $60m to more than 140,000 Amazon drivers who were said to have been screwed out of their tips between 2016 and 2019. The delivery workers have until January to cash them.

    The drivers were part of the Amazon Flex program that launched in 2015, and would drop off packages and groceries ordered via the web giant's Prime Now and AmazonFresh services. These contractors were paid $18 to $25 per hour and promised 100 per cent of any tips from customers.

    Starting in 2016, Amazon, then under the rule of billionaire biz baron Jeff Bezos, began pocketing the tips, according to a lawsuit brought by the FTC. Amazon did this secretly by introducing “variable base pay,” it was claimed, which involved slashing driver’s pay rate and making up for it by adding the tip on top without notifying anyone.

    For example, according to the FTC, if someone was working a one-hour job in a region set at $18 and received a $6 tip from their customer via Amazon's electronic payment system, the driver would still get $18 because Amazon would quietly lower the pay to $12 and top it up with the tip.

    Over two and a half years, Amazon used nearly a third of tips to offset its payments to drivers, the lawsuit alleged. Drivers began to notice that their overall earnings had mysteriously dropped. The e-commerce giant offered to cough up $61.7m to settle the case in February, a move that was approved by the FTC in June.
    Now, most of that money will be distributed by the FTC as compensation for Amazon's workers. “The FTC will be sending 139,507 checks and 1,621 PayPal payments to Amazon Flex drivers,” it announced this week.

    “Drivers who had more than [five dollars] withheld by Amazon will receive the full amount of their withheld tips. The highest amount going to a single Amazon Flex driver is more than $28,000, while the average amount is $422.”

    They were advised to cash the checks by January 7, 2022.

    In addition, Amazon is prohibited from "misrepresenting any driver’s likely income or rate of pay, how much of their tips will be paid to them, as well as whether the amount paid by a customer is a tip. Amazon also will be prohibited from making any changes to how a driver’s tips are used as compensation without the driver’s express informed consent."


    Perhaps the greater [and certainly more ethical] question is why do so many people still use his main company as well as all those others that he has sucked into his capitalist maw?

    "It ain't necessarily so
    The things that you're liable
    To read in the Bible
    It ain't necessarily so
    ."

    Sportin' Life
    Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

  • #2
    Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

    Perhaps the greater [and certainly more ethical] question is why do so many people still use his main company as well as all those others that he has sucked into his capitalist maw?
    For the same reason people still use merchandise from sweatshop and human rights violator China. It's cheap and convenient.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

      For the same reason people still use merchandise from sweatshop and human rights violator China. It's cheap and convenient.
      That post rather ignores the ethical aspect.

      "It ain't necessarily so
      The things that you're liable
      To read in the Bible
      It ain't necessarily so
      ."

      Sportin' Life
      Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

        That post rather ignores the ethical aspect.
        It doesn't ignore it. It's just what it is. Do you still buy goods from human rights violator and sweatshop using china?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

          It doesn't ignore it. It's just what it is. Do you still buy goods from human rights violator and sweatshop using china?
          No
          "It ain't necessarily so
          The things that you're liable
          To read in the Bible
          It ain't necessarily so
          ."

          Sportin' Life
          Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

            No
            So you own nothing made in China?
            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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            • #7
              Originally posted by seer View Post

              So you own nothing made in China?
              Given she's on a computer or a smartphone posting on here, I'm fairly certain that answer is false.

              (Unless she thinks something assembled outside of china isn't using chinese parts)

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              • #8
                Originally posted by seer View Post

                So you own nothing made in China?
                Not as far as I am aware. I do try and buy European or elsewhere.
                "It ain't necessarily so
                The things that you're liable
                To read in the Bible
                It ain't necessarily so
                ."

                Sportin' Life
                Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

                  Given she's on a computer or a smartphone posting on here, I'm fairly certain that answer is false.

                  (Unless she thinks something assembled outside of china isn't using chinese parts)
                  Oh that is true - re components. I forgot about those!
                  "It ain't necessarily so
                  The things that you're liable
                  To read in the Bible
                  It ain't necessarily so
                  ."

                  Sportin' Life
                  Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

                    Given she's on a computer or a smartphone posting on here, I'm fairly certain that answer is false.

                    (Unless she thinks something assembled outside of china isn't using chinese parts)
                    Of course she has products either made in China, or have parts made in China.
                    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                    • #11
                      However, back to Mr Bezos.

                      Does anyone here condemn his behaviour towards his employees [re the OP link]? Or would some contend that his behaviour was totally justified as the owner of a huge multi-billion global business?
                      "It ain't necessarily so
                      The things that you're liable
                      To read in the Bible
                      It ain't necessarily so
                      ."

                      Sportin' Life
                      Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by seer View Post

                        Of course she has products either made in China, or have parts made in China. So she supports slave labor....
                        If you buy from Amazon so do you. Do you buy from Amazon?
                        "It ain't necessarily so
                        The things that you're liable
                        To read in the Bible
                        It ain't necessarily so
                        ."

                        Sportin' Life
                        Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                          Oh that is true - re components. I forgot about those!
                          So you are supporting slave labor...
                          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                            However, back to Mr Bezos.

                            Does anyone here condemn his behaviour towards his employees [re the OP link]? Or would some contend that his behaviour was totally justified as the owner of a huge multi-billion global business?
                            I definitely condemn his behavior. I doubt you'll find anyone who thinks this sort of theft is justifiable.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by seer View Post

                              So you are supporting slave labor...
                              Americans complaining about sweat shops ... oh the irony.
                              1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                              .
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                              Scripture before Tradition:
                              but that won't prevent others from
                              taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                              of the right to call yourself Christian.

                              ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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