Covid vaccines effectiveness and boosters

[Gondwanaland]

Investigation Has Launched After Three-Year-Old Girl Dies From Cardiac Arrest One Day After Receiving COVID-19 Vaccine in Argentina

The COVID World reported:

“I’m sure my daughter was killed by the vaccine. She was a healthy girl, full of life, without any health issues.”

Here’s the local report (you can change the auto caption to English on Youtube)

The Gateway Pundit previously reported that an email from a school district in New York was sent to parents stating that there’s a new regulation where all districts are now required to ensure that nurses and coaches can address the treatment and monitoring of students who exhibit signs and symptoms of sudden cardiac arrest.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...s-grades-k-12/

The question is why in the world are people giving this vaccine to THREE YEAR OLDS, let alone mandating it if they want to go to school? Especially when it has had little testing on kids, and we have no idea on long term side effects, and kids have very small chance of getting covid, let lone dying from covid? And especially when we know, and have known for months, that heart issues are happening in younger people with these shots????

[Mountain Man]

As our own FDA said when approving the experimental jab for children, "We have to start giving the vaccine to kids to find out how safe it is."

I guess we're finding out.

[NorrinRadd]

Last night one of the Pittsburgh area newscasts did a story about a study suggesting the jabs increase cancer risk. I only saw the Chyron caption, and by the time I unmuted the TV, I'd missed the story. This possibly over-the-top page was the most recent relevant Duck-Duck-Go hit.

[rogue06]

Are we over-vaxxing?

Source: Are we on the brink of OVER-vaccinating in the fight against Covid? Experts warn dishing out fourth jabs in spring may be unnecessary - and Omicron may be world's 'natural' vaccine that finally ends pandemic

• UK should hold off on a new booster and the wait for data on long term impact of current jabs, experts say
• Scientists say giving a booster every 3 months not feasible, and may not improve immunity significantly
• Some claim Omicron is now a 'natural vaccine', but one expert poured cold water on idea, saying it is '[BS]'

The US, the UK and other major economies could be on the brink of over-vaccinating people in the fight against Covid, experts say.

Israeli officials have already announced their intentions to embark on dishing out another round of booster jabs, meaning both the US and UK will eventually face pressure to follow suit even though both nations have insisted there are no plans to administer fourth doses yet.

But scientists argue that rolling out vaccines every three-to-four months simply isn't 'doable' and may not even be necessary because of Omicron, which some believe will speed up the process of endemicity and consign days of sky-high hospitalization and death figures to history.

And they called for more data on dosing gaps between boosters before pressing ahead with plans to administer fourth jabs. Some experts claim the benefits of extra jabs are minimal because their primary purpose - preventing deaths and hospitalizations - has barely waned after a year and several Covid variants, effectively meaning boosters are adding to an already high base level immunity.

Professor Ian Jones, a virologist at the University of Reading, said descriptions of Omicron being a 'natural vaccine' were right.

The logic behind the argument is that as Omicron is highly transmissible but milder than other variants, it can give an immunity boost without causing as much serious illness, with some data suggesting a combination of infection than vaccination providing the best type of immunity in the long-run.

On Thursday, the United States smashed another global COVID infection record when 647,067 new cases were reported, up 26 percent from the day before, when 512,533 new cases were reported, according to Johns Hopkins University data.

In total, USA Today Omicron wave. It showed fatalities were just a quarter of levels seen during other surges.

Researchers examined records of 450 patients hospitalized in the City of Tshwane, in the 'ground zero province of Gauteng, since the extremely-transmissible variant took off in the country. Their survival rates were compared to nearly 4,000 patients hospitalized earlier on in the pandemic.

Just 4.5 per cent of patients hospitalized with Covid in the last month died from the virus. For comparison, the rate stood at around 21.3 per cent earlier in the pandemic

Scientists from South Africa's National Institute of Communicable Diseases (NICD) and the University of Pretoria, who carried out the research, said it shows 'a decoupling of cases, hospitalizations and deaths compared to previous waves'.

Omicron could be a 'harbinger of the end' of the darkest days of the pandemic and could usher in the virus's endemic phase, the team wrote in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases.

Commentators around the world have latched on the findings and claimed Omicron could act as natural vaccine making the virus endemic to the population.

One of these was a health official for the Indian state of Maharashtra, Dr Pradeep Awate who told the Press Trust of India, that although Omicron was spreading faster than Delta, there had been few hospitalizations.

'If this happens, Omicron will act as a natural vaccination and may help in its (Covid's) progression towards the endemic stage,' he said.

But Dr Clarke cautioned against the idea of labelling Omicron a 'natural vaccine'.

‘The immunity we’ve had from other variants doesn’t protect all that well against Omicron, so there is no reason to think it works in the other direction,’ he said.

This is despite a new study from the Africa Health Research Institute showing blood taken from people infected with omicron recorded a 4.4-fold increase of antibodies when exposed to the the Delta version of the virus.

In contrast other studies delving into the topic of cross-variant immunity showed antibodies made in response to Delta reacted poorly to Omicron.

Dr Clarke added that just because Omicron was milder did not mean it, or other Covid variants, would remain so, adding: 'The idea that viral evolution is a one-way street to the common cold is absolute [BS].'

On the idea of more boosters and how often, Dr Clarke emphasized the need for more data before we know time gap between more Covid jabs.

He said there will be an 'optimum' gap between doses but 'we just don’t know what it is yet', adding that it 'won't be good' if jabs are done too far apart or close together.

Dr Clarke also advised against general predictions on how Covid boosters are going to be rolled out in 2022, highlighting how despite an Omicron jab being in development, it might fail, or need two doses similar to the initial Covid jab.

However he did say that boosters being used to keep immunity against infection topped-up through increased antibodies may be the preferred strategy going forward by the Government not wanting to impose restrictions and minimize disruption.

'Population wide vaccination will drive down transmission, it won't eliminate it, but it will drive it down across the population,' he said.

'And if you have lots of people who have more than the sniffles and are ill enough not to go to work, there is massive damage to public services and an economic slowdown.'

Professor Young also said while data had suggested a drop in booster effectiveness against Omicron infection, the outlook for longer term protection from against severe disease was still good.

'Preliminary data suggests that vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic infection with Omicron drops by between 15-25 per cent after 10 weeks,' he said.

'Thus those older individuals who were boosted at the beginning of the booster campaign in mid-September may not be as well protected from symptomatic infection.

'However, all current data indicates that booster jabs will protect from severe disease and that this should last for at least several months.'

He said the broad hope is that this protection against severe disease will eventually mean an annual booster jab for the elderly and other vulnerable groups will be sufficient to protect them from a severe Omicron infection in the coming years.

Professor Young also highlighted how immunity was a complex system, with different segments like antibodies rising in the short term when people get vaccinated. While other more difficult to measure parts like T-cells provide longer term protection.

'The good news is that recent studies have shown that both vaccination and natural infection induce a strong and sustained T-cell response to Omicron and other variants,' he said.

'This might be the key to longer term protection and the need for less frequent boosters.'

There have also been concerns about over-vaccinating people in the UK when so many in other parts of the world are unvaccinated.

Professor Adam Finn, a UK government vaccine adviser, previously told the BBC that over-vaccinating people, when other parts of the world had none, was 'a bit insane, it's not just inequitable, it's stupid'.

Professor Young also highlighted that it might be more important to help other countries boost their vaccine uptake rather than offer all Britons another booster, to stop new variants from forming.

He highlighted Africa, where Omicron was first identified and almost certainly emerged, as one particular example.

'Virus variants will continue to be generated as long as the virus is allowed to spread particularly in countries where vaccination rates are low,' he said.

'This emphasizes the need to control the pandemic at the global level as well as locally and that it is in all our interests to support the roll out of vaccines across the world.

'In a situation where around 73 per cent of people in wealthy and middle-income countries have been vaccinated, this includes those who have had one, two or three doses, whereas only 12 per cent are vaccinated in Africa, we have to consider the value and luxury of additional booster doses if such vaccines are not widely available.'

Jeffrey Shaman, an infectious disease modeler and epidemiologist in New York has also highlighted the need to tackle the Covid pandemic on a global scale.

He said: 'We may find ourselves in a different kind of endemic equilibrium in which boosting is needed every four-six months and highly effective therapeutics are needed to limit severe disease. All this would need to be available globally and equitably. This is a daunting prospect. And psychologically challenging.'


Source

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[*The article itself has numerous graphs and charts*]


If only 12% of Africans are vaccinated yet the fatality rate seen with Omicron is only a quarter what the rate was for other variants, then vaccines cannot be credited as the reason Omicron has been less lethal.

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[Gondwanaland]

Are we over-vaxxing?

Source: Are we on the brink of OVER-vaccinating in the fight against Covid? Experts warn dishing out fourth jabs in spring may be unnecessary - and Omicron may be world's 'natural' vaccine that finally ends pandemic

• UK should hold off on a new booster and the wait for data on long term impact of current jabs, experts say
• Scientists say giving a booster every 3 months not feasible, and may not improve immunity significantly
• Some claim Omicron is now a 'natural vaccine', but one expert poured cold water on idea, saying it is '[BS]'

The US, the UK and other major economies could be on the brink of over-vaccinating people in the fight against Covid, experts say.

Israeli officials have already announced their intentions to embark on dishing out another round of booster jabs, meaning both the US and UK will eventually face pressure to follow suit even though both nations have insisted there are no plans to administer fourth doses yet.

But scientists argue that rolling out vaccines every three-to-four months simply isn't 'doable' and may not even be necessary because of Omicron, which some believe will speed up the process of endemicity and consign days of sky-high hospitalization and death figures to history.

And they called for more data on dosing gaps between boosters before pressing ahead with plans to administer fourth jabs. Some experts claim the benefits of extra jabs are minimal because their primary purpose - preventing deaths and hospitalizations - has barely waned after a year and several Covid variants, effectively meaning boosters are adding to an already high base level immunity.

Professor Ian Jones, a virologist at the University of Reading, said descriptions of Omicron being a 'natural vaccine' were right.

The logic behind the argument is that as Omicron is highly transmissible but milder than other variants, it can give an immunity boost without causing as much serious illness, with some data suggesting a combination of infection than vaccination providing the best type of immunity in the long-run.

On Thursday, the United States smashed another global COVID infection record when 647,067 new cases were reported, up 26 percent from the day before, when 512,533 new cases were reported, according to Johns Hopkins University data.

In total, USA Today Omicron wave. It showed fatalities were just a quarter of levels seen during other surges.

Researchers examined records of 450 patients hospitalized in the City of Tshwane, in the 'ground zero province of Gauteng, since the extremely-transmissible variant took off in the country. Their survival rates were compared to nearly 4,000 patients hospitalized earlier on in the pandemic.

Just 4.5 per cent of patients hospitalized with Covid in the last month died from the virus. For comparison, the rate stood at around 21.3 per cent earlier in the pandemic

Scientists from South Africa's National Institute of Communicable Diseases (NICD) and the University of Pretoria, who carried out the research, said it shows 'a decoupling of cases, hospitalizations and deaths compared to previous waves'.

Omicron could be a 'harbinger of the end' of the darkest days of the pandemic and could usher in the virus's endemic phase, the team wrote in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases.

Commentators around the world have latched on the findings and claimed Omicron could act as natural vaccine making the virus endemic to the population.

One of these was a health official for the Indian state of Maharashtra, Dr Pradeep Awate who told the Press Trust of India, that although Omicron was spreading faster than Delta, there had been few hospitalizations.

'If this happens, Omicron will act as a natural vaccination and may help in its (Covid's) progression towards the endemic stage,' he said.

But Dr Clarke cautioned against the idea of labelling Omicron a 'natural vaccine'.

‘The immunity we’ve had from other variants doesn’t protect all that well against Omicron, so there is no reason to think it works in the other direction,’ he said.

This is despite a new study from the Africa Health Research Institute showing blood taken from people infected with omicron recorded a 4.4-fold increase of antibodies when exposed to the the Delta version of the virus.

In contrast other studies delving into the topic of cross-variant immunity showed antibodies made in response to Delta reacted poorly to Omicron.

Dr Clarke added that just because Omicron was milder did not mean it, or other Covid variants, would remain so, adding: 'The idea that viral evolution is a one-way street to the common cold is absolute [BS].'

On the idea of more boosters and how often, Dr Clarke emphasized the need for more data before we know time gap between more Covid jabs.

He said there will be an 'optimum' gap between doses but 'we just don’t know what it is yet', adding that it 'won't be good' if jabs are done too far apart or close together.

Dr Clarke also advised against general predictions on how Covid boosters are going to be rolled out in 2022, highlighting how despite an Omicron jab being in development, it might fail, or need two doses similar to the initial Covid jab.

However he did say that boosters being used to keep immunity against infection topped-up through increased antibodies may be the preferred strategy going forward by the Government not wanting to impose restrictions and minimize disruption.

'Population wide vaccination will drive down transmission, it won't eliminate it, but it will drive it down across the population,' he said.

'And if you have lots of people who have more than the sniffles and are ill enough not to go to work, there is massive damage to public services and an economic slowdown.'

Professor Young also said while data had suggested a drop in booster effectiveness against Omicron infection, the outlook for longer term protection from against severe disease was still good.

'Preliminary data suggests that vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic infection with Omicron drops by between 15-25 per cent after 10 weeks,' he said.

'Thus those older individuals who were boosted at the beginning of the booster campaign in mid-September may not be as well protected from symptomatic infection.

'However, all current data indicates that booster jabs will protect from severe disease and that this should last for at least several months.'

He said the broad hope is that this protection against severe disease will eventually mean an annual booster jab for the elderly and other vulnerable groups will be sufficient to protect them from a severe Omicron infection in the coming years.

Professor Young also highlighted how immunity was a complex system, with different segments like antibodies rising in the short term when people get vaccinated. While other more difficult to measure parts like T-cells provide longer term protection.

'The good news is that recent studies have shown that both vaccination and natural infection induce a strong and sustained T-cell response to Omicron and other variants,' he said.

'This might be the key to longer term protection and the need for less frequent boosters.'

There have also been concerns about over-vaccinating people in the UK when so many in other parts of the world are unvaccinated.

Professor Adam Finn, a UK government vaccine adviser, previously told the BBC that over-vaccinating people, when other parts of the world had none, was 'a bit insane, it's not just inequitable, it's stupid'.

Professor Young also highlighted that it might be more important to help other countries boost their vaccine uptake rather than offer all Britons another booster, to stop new variants from forming.

He highlighted Africa, where Omicron was first identified and almost certainly emerged, as one particular example.

'Virus variants will continue to be generated as long as the virus is allowed to spread particularly in countries where vaccination rates are low,' he said.

'This emphasizes the need to control the pandemic at the global level as well as locally and that it is in all our interests to support the roll out of vaccines across the world.

'In a situation where around 73 per cent of people in wealthy and middle-income countries have been vaccinated, this includes those who have had one, two or three doses, whereas only 12 per cent are vaccinated in Africa, we have to consider the value and luxury of additional booster doses if such vaccines are not widely available.'

Jeffrey Shaman, an infectious disease modeler and epidemiologist in New York has also highlighted the need to tackle the Covid pandemic on a global scale.

He said: 'We may find ourselves in a different kind of endemic equilibrium in which boosting is needed every four-six months and highly effective therapeutics are needed to limit severe disease. All this would need to be available globally and equitably. This is a daunting prospect. And psychologically challenging.'


Source

© Copyright Original Source

[*The article itself has numerous graphs and charts*]


If only 12% of Africans are vaccinated yet the fatality rate seen with Omicron is only a quarter what the rate was for other variants, then vaccines cannot be credited as the reason Omicron has been less lethal.

image_53513.jpg

I'm glad at least someone pointed out the existence of T-cells in the article. Because this while last year all I've seen is an obsession with antibodies and making sur3 there are constantly antibodies present, and if they aren't high then you gotta booster and raise them. It's such am unhealthy and absurd mindset.

I just saw it the other day in an article on vaccine efficacy against omicron, where they declared that previous infections and double jabs were "weaker" than getting double jabbed and boosted, and their sole evidence for that claim was a study that took blood samples, exposed them to covid, and then measured antibody response.

Which, of course showed a low response from those who were infected months ago or got two jabs months ago. Because it is extremely unnatural to continue to maintain antibodies for months or years to something. You'd explode in a ball of pus if you did that for everything. That's why memory cells like t-cells exist and remember past infections fore years or decades.. but the study didn't test for that because the Branch Covidians are obsessed with jabbing people and unnaturally forcing constant antibody presence in people (which could have health issues in the future)

[NorrinRadd]

Are we over-vaxxing?

Yes, we are.

In the Risch interview I linked in the HCQ thread, Dr. Risch says there is increasing evidence that continually "boosting" could damage the overall immune system in the long run. Given that none of the current jabs are anything close to "sterilizing" vaccines, he favors targeted rather than widespread use.

I've also heard Hooman Noorchasm express somewhat similar concerns -- that the continual boosting could lead to a sort of vaccine dependence, and also possibly wear down the immune system.

[Sparko]

But each booster increased the chance that you could get mutant super powers.

[rogue06]

But each booster increased the chance that you could get mutant super powers.

Like being able to pants a pirate through the interwebz.

[Mountain Man]

Yes, we are.

In the Risch interview I linked in the HCQ thread, Dr. Risch says there is increasing evidence that continually "boosting" could damage the overall immune system in the long run. Given that none of the current jabs are anything close to "sterilizing" vaccines, he favors targeted rather than widespread use.

I've also heard Hooman Noorchasm express somewhat similar concerns -- that the continual boosting could lead to a sort of vaccine dependence, and also possibly wear down the immune system.

Not to mention that each full dose is one more chance for the test subject to suffer suffer from one the many alarmingly common negative side effects. It was recently reported in Australia that there are nearly 80,000 officially confirmed incidences of vaccine injuries (and who knows what the unofficial number is).

Are you feeling lucky, punk?

[Sparko]

Like being able to pants a pirate through the interwebz.

I don't swing that way. Stay out of my pants.

[NorrinRadd]

Senator Ron Johnson:
"Sadly, we passed two milestones on VAERS. Over 1 million adverse events and over 21,000 deaths. 30% of those deaths occurred on day 0, 1, or 2 following vaccination. When will federal agencies start being transparent with Americans? Why do they continue to ignore early treatment?"

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[Roy]

It was recently reported in Australia that there are nearly 80,000 officially confirmed incidences of vaccine injuries (and who knows what the unofficial number is).?

No it wasn't. That was an estimate of adverse reactions, not a confirmed number of injuries.

STOP LYING ABOUT THE VACCINE.

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[NorrinRadd]

Malone talks about his own experiences after being jabbed with the vax he invented.

[NorrinRadd]

In the short term, the vast majority of negative effects seem to be associated with a few "batches."

In the longer term, neurodegenerative diseases could plague anyone who received a jab that creates lots of spike proteins.

[NorrinRadd]

Chicom Bug infections and deaths soar quickly after first jab.