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Originally posted by TheLurch View PostIf you really want me to, I could probably hunt down the original submissions to the FDA. But at this point, it's kind of irrelevant - we now have data on far larger populations than were enrolled in the trials. The recent CDC document tracks hundreds of thousands of people.
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Originally posted by Terraceth View PostOkay, thanks. So basically, you're saying that the claims it made about the trials, even assuming it was accurately presented, is out of date at this point and isn't something to base an argument on?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by TheLurch View PostSomeone DMed me the link to it and asked me to read it.
It's terrible..
Last edited by Roy; 01-26-2022, 06:32 AM.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Would you mind addressing one point in the article I was especially wondering about? Specifically, its citation of the number of deaths among the placebo and vaccinated groups in the vaccine studies in which it says that the number of deaths among the two groups were so similar that it demonstrates the vaccines do not confer protection against mortality and the data indicates there might in fact be higher mortality among the unvaccinated group. This is discussed primarily early on in the article--it's in the general area of the first chart image (third image overall)--and also the fourth section, entitled "Evidence from the vaccine trials themselves."Originally posted by Stoic View PostI believe the number of deaths in the original trial was too low to draw any conclusions about how well the vaccines protected against mortality.
Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Stoic View Post
I believe the number of deaths in the original trial was too low to draw any conclusions about how well the vaccines protected against mortality.
Originally posted by Terraceth View PostOkay, thanks. So basically, you're saying that the claims it made about the trials, even assuming it was accurately presented, is out of date at this point and isn't something to base an argument on?
The only reason to focus on the clinical trial data is rhetorical, not scientific.
EDITED TO ADD: I see Roy's memory is better than mine."Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling."
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostJust got this from a former work mate:
Hubby got covid and brought it home to me in November (daughter showed no symptoms and her and I tested negative). 2 weeks later when it should have been gone, my oxygen levels went down to 78, I passed out and started seizing. (1st week of December) he called ambo I was at JW {Local hospital near us} for 5 days (3 days in ER, no rooms). made it thru praise HIM!!! Still on oxygen, Advair, and seeing pulmonary doctor.
She was fully vaxxed.
Out of curiousity - the general trend of this thread is to try to say the vaccines are ineffective or dangerous. Was your comment orthoganal to that, or was it in support of that trend?
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That study appears to have been conducted in Britain but I suspect that numbers on the side of the pond are relatively close.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
That study appears to have been conducted in Britain but I suspect that numbers on the side of the pond are relatively close.
If someone who had covid-19 within the last few months got randomly selected, and decided to participate, they could show up as a reinfection even though they may not be currently infected.
From the study itself,
"The REal-time Assessment of Community Transmission-1 (REACT-1) study has been characterising the transmission of the SARS-CoV-2 virus using RT-PCR test results from self-administered throat and nose swabs from randomly-selected participants in England at ages 5 years and over, approximately monthly since May 2020."
Among the 3,582 swab-positive individuals reporting whether or not they had had previous COVID-19, 2,315 (64.6%) reported confirmed previous COVID-19 and 267 (7.5%) reported suspected previous COVID-19.
"Although we cannot yet calculate a definitive response rate for round 17 (as the data are not yet complete), it is similar to that observed in round 16 (in which 12.1% of those invited took part and returned swabs that produced valid test results)."
"Our results on reported previous COVID-19 are based on self-reported data and therefore it is uncertain what proportion of these are reinfections or recent infections picked up due to the sensitivity of PCR testing."
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NEW (Scottish) GOVERNMENT DATA SHOWS “VAX-FREE” LESS LIKELY TO GET COVID.
Data released by the Scottish government show people who have been vaccinated with two or three doses of the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines are more likely to become infected, be hospitalized or die than people who are unvaccinated.
The Public Health Scotland data from the past four weeks showed a rate of infection of 866 per 100,000 for the double vaccinated and 481 per 100,000 for the boosted, or triple vaccinated, while the unvaccinated had a rate of infection of 413 per 100,000.
The death rate of those who have had two shots is about 12, per 100,0000 which is more than 50% higher than the rate for the unvaccinated.
Earlier this month, the European Union’s top health agency warned that getting boosted every four months could harm the immune system’s ability to fight off the disease. The European medicines Agency advised countries instead to mirror the seasonal influenza vaccination strategy tied to the onset of the cold season.
More at link.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostNEW (Scottish) GOVERNMENT DATA SHOWS “VAX-FREE” LESS LIKELY TO GET COVID.
Data released by the Scottish government show people who have been vaccinated with two or three doses of the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines are more likely to become infected, be hospitalized or die than people who are unvaccinated.
The Public Health Scotland data from the past four weeks showed a rate of infection of 866 per 100,000 for the double vaccinated and 481 per 100,000 for the boosted, or triple vaccinated, while the unvaccinated had a rate of infection of 413 per 100,000.
The death rate of those who have had two shots is about 12, per 100,0000 which is more than 50% higher than the rate for the unvaccinated.
Earlier this month, the European Union’s top health agency warned that getting boosted every four months could harm the immune system’s ability to fight off the disease. The European medicines Agency advised countries instead to mirror the seasonal influenza vaccination strategy tied to the onset of the cold season.
More at link.
So a lot of elderly people are catching it inspite of their vaccinations."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
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I wish emergency use authorization was given now for Pfizer's new omicron vaccine that's in phase 1 trials currently. I'd personally be willing to pay $1000 to get a shot of that today."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostNEW (Scottish) GOVERNMENT DATA SHOWS “VAX-FREE” LESS LIKELY TO GET COVID.
Data released by the Scottish government show people who have been vaccinated with two or three doses of the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines are more likely to become infected, be hospitalized or die than people who are unvaccinated.
The Public Health Scotland data from the past four weeks showed a rate of infection of 866 per 100,000 for the double vaccinated and 481 per 100,000 for the boosted, or triple vaccinated, while the unvaccinated had a rate of infection of 413 per 100,000.
The death rate of those who have had two shots is about 12, per 100,0000 which is more than 50% higher than the rate for the unvaccinated.
Earlier this month, the European Union’s top health agency warned that getting boosted every four months could harm the immune system’s ability to fight off the disease. The European medicines Agency advised countries instead to mirror the seasonal influenza vaccination strategy tied to the onset of the cold season.
More at link.
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"Israel is overrun with Covid. The vaccines have failed. The experiment must stop."
Judged SOLELY on the basis of the last year’s efficacy data, the mRNA vaccines are a failed product and should be withdrawn. Any future mRNA vaccines - against the Omicron variant or any other target- need to be tested for safety and efficacy in large-scale clinical trial for YEARS. Not months, years. This kind of billion-person experiment must never happen again.
It’s over, okay? We didn’t get the Hollywood ending.
Science didn’t win.
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Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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