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  • #16
    Originally posted by mossrose View Post

    So apparently telling people the truth about what scripture says is wrong now, based on what worldly "Christians" say we should be saying.
    Not, it is not 'wrong'. However, we also must recognize that when Jesus encountered sinners, He generally was accepting of them and then taught them the truth, generally being condemned by the religious leaders for associating with them in their own homes and at their gatherings.

    I'm sorry, but God's word supersedes anything that you or anybody else says.
    I'm sure this is exactly how Westboro justifies what they do.

    Just because something is "an issue for our culture" doesn't mean we should go along with it. The truth matters, even to people who don't want to hear it. And that is the problem with a lot of Christians today, they so badly want to be accepted by the culture that they will compromise the truth.
    Perhaps you could read some of what I linked to before just pontificating in judgement of what these men are saying about these issues.

    That is what you are doing, oxmixmudd. I don't care what your reasons are, I don't care what you read or think other people should read, God's word is extremely clear about gender and that is all there is. I suggest that you read God's word and see if there are some things it has to say that can inform your position.
    No - actually all I did was give you some links to Christians that have the necessary education and expertise and that are in the middle of these issues and who can provide some perspective as to what is happening and how we can respond to it in a non destructive way.

    I did NOT say that people are the spawn of Satan. You are putting words into my mouth that I did not say. And that is something you accuse people of all the time, so you had best be careful. Satan IS in control of this world, and you, like so many "Christians" haven fallen under his influence in swallowing everything the culture throws at you.
    No, you didn't call them 'spawn of satan' literally, I would think it obvious that is hyperbole, but you did say this about 'the majority of them':

    Originally posted by mossrose
    But for the majority of those who think so, it is indeed a desire to go against the natural order of gender for the sake of a perverted idea of sexual "freedom".
    Pretty much a blanket judgement of nearly every trans person's motivations and goals as being completely given over to sexual perversion.

    It's a lot more complicated than that Mossrose. And our goal is not to condemn people, but bring them to Christ. So it is important we understand what is actually going on here before we start casting summary judgements on a whole group of people. This particular issue is especially difficult in that regard.
    My 'faith' designation is 'Christian'. But I do not want the label "Christian" leading to mockery of faith in Christ. Consequently, I apologize if words of mine written in this post or others reflect poorly on the what Faith in Christ means, or what Faith in Christ can in fact do in terms of bringing Grace, Mercy, and Love into the world.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

      Not, it is not 'wrong'. However, we also must recognize that when Jesus encountered sinners, He generally was accepting of them and then taught them the truth, generally being condemned by the religious leaders for associating with them in their own homes and at their gatherings.



      I'm sure this is exactly how Westboro justifies what they do.



      Perhaps you could read some of what I linked to before just pontificating in judgement of what these men are saying about these issues.



      No - actually all I did was give you some links to Christians that have the necessary education and expertise and that are in the middle of these issues and who can provide some perspective as to what is happening and how we can respond to it in a non destructive way.



      No, you didn't call them 'spawn of satan' literally, I would think it obvious that is hyperbole, but you did say this about 'the majority of them':



      Pretty much a blanket judgement of nearly every trans person's motivations and goals as being completely given over to sexual perversion.

      It's a lot more complicated than that Mossrose. And our goal is not to condemn people, but bring them to Christ. So it is important we understand what is actually going on here before we start casting summary judgements on a whole group of people. This particular issue is especially difficult in that regard.
      You can continue with your delusions. And I don't much care. But never accuse me of being in any way similar to Westboro. Or was that hyperbole, too, three times. You are absolutely wrong, and I am not going to engage with you further on the matter. You are unreachable. Just like the Pharisees.


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      • #18
        Originally posted by mossrose View Post

        You can continue with your delusions. And I don't much care. But never accuse me of being in any way similar to Westboro. Or was that hyperbole, too, three times. You are absolutely wrong, and I am not going to engage with you further on the matter. You are unreachable. Just like the Pharisees.
        I think perhaps you might be better served asking yourself why the rhetoric you were using might remind me of what we hear from westboro.

        and maybe take some time to listen to some of yarhouse's comments on the topic.
        Last edited by oxmixmudd; 06-11-2021, 08:05 PM.
        My 'faith' designation is 'Christian'. But I do not want the label "Christian" leading to mockery of faith in Christ. Consequently, I apologize if words of mine written in this post or others reflect poorly on the what Faith in Christ means, or what Faith in Christ can in fact do in terms of bringing Grace, Mercy, and Love into the world.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by mossrose View Post

          The dysphoria may be part of a small fraction of those who think they can change their gender. But for the majority of those who think so, it is indeed a desire to go against the natural order of gender for the sake of a perverted idea of sexual "freedom".
          Personally I find that doubtful. At worst, there may be a few of those types. But actual people with transgender issues, that's quite real, and something that should be treated instead of coddled and played along with. I also think there are a lot of people with other mental issues that confuse their issues and think it means they are transgender, etc.. and others who are easily influenced into things. But overall, most of them are people with genuine mental problems. One should also note that the majority of young folks, who experience gender dysphoria, end up having it resolve on its own by the time they clear puberty/into adulthood, if not 'treated' via pumping them with hormones and hormone blockers, etc..
          "So when you actually get the virus, you're going to start producing antibodies against multiple pieces of the virus. So, your antibodies are probably better at that point than the vaccination."
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          • #20
            I would say at this time, amongst certain groups of liberals, there is a bit of a desire to claim at least something LGBT adjacency. Given that progressives are hell-bent on dividing people into good and evil Oppressed and Oppressors, and being straight and cis-gendered falls into the Oppressor category, it makes sense that many would claim some other type of sexuality or "gender" in order to not be in the "oppressor" category.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

              Personally I find that doubtful. At worst, there may be a few of those types. But actual people with transgender issues, that's quite real, and something that should be treated instead of coddled and played along with. I also think there are a lot of people with other mental issues that confuse their issues and think it means they are transgender, etc.. and others who are easily influenced into things. But overall, most of them are people with genuine mental problems. One should also note that the majority of young folks, who experience gender dysphoria, end up having it resolve on its own by the time they clear puberty/into adulthood, if not 'treated' via pumping them with hormones and hormone blockers, etc..
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              • #22
                Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
                I would say at this time, amongst certain groups of liberals, there is a bit of a desire to claim at least something LGBT adjacency. Given that progressives are hell-bent on dividing people into good and evil Oppressed and Oppressors, and being straight and cis-gendered falls into the Oppressor category, it makes sense that many would claim some other type of sexuality or "gender" in order to not be in the "oppressor" category.
                I think one place to look for people who see it as being as much a statement as anything else is among the parents of so-called prepubescent transgenders. Some of them behave like their children are trophies to be waved under the noses of their friends and neighbors to show them that they will never be as "woke" as them.

                "Oh look how hip and cool I am. I have a prepubescent child who is a transgender activist and you don't." She's worse than one of these obsessive beauty pageant moms.

                An example of this is Avery Jackson's mother who's child was on the cover on National Geographic a couple years ago. Debi Jackson, who has been a transgender activist says that her son/daughter has been transgender since the age of five. Really? At that age a lot of kids think they're a dog or a unicorn. I mean, at the age of five boys and girls barely recognize that there is a difference between boys and girls. At that age they aren't an activist but are being used by parents as a prop to support their beliefs.

                This is a mother who has so screwed up her child that she admits she had to hide all the knives and scissors in the house because she was afraid that Avery would cut off his own penis. All to impress people in her circle.

                I'm always still in trouble again

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
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                  Agree. Unfortunately the sick are running the hospital so to speak. Today's society not only enables such delusions, but actively encourages them and is proud of them. This only serves to remove any treatment options (if you treat them you are being a bigot) and makes it that much harder to help these people to find a way out.

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