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    Ex-President George H. W. Bush says he will vote for Hillary Clinton

    I think there are two takeaways from this:
    1. Both parties have moved a long way to the right over the last few decades. So much so that a previous Republican president is now voting for a Democrat, because that Democrat is about as far right as he is on the political spectrum. Hillary Clinton is right-wing.
    2. Donald Trump is a terrible person and utterly disqualified from being president due to his endless bankruptcies / frauds / scams / ignorance / idiocies / incompetence / lies / racism etc.

    What an epic, epic, disaster of an election.
    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
    "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

  • #2
    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
    Ex-President George H. W. Bush says he will vote for Hillary Clinton

    I think there are two takeaways from this:
    1. Both parties have moved a long way to the right over the last few decades. So much so that a previous Republican president is now voting for a Democrat, because that Democrat is about as far right as he is on the political spectrum. Hillary Clinton is right-wing.
    2. Donald Trump is a terrible person and utterly disqualified from being president due to his endless bankruptcies / frauds / scams / ignorance / idiocies / incompetence / lies / racism etc..
    I would guess that the latter (i.e. no 2) is the prime reason. BTW: You left out adulterous, hypocritical womaniser.

    What an epic, epic, disaster of an election
    Totally!

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    • #3
      There's also the personal factor that Trump was really mean to his son Jeb and beat the pants off him in the Republican primaries.
      אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃

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      • #4
        Bush's official spokesman said that the former president has not endorsed either candidate and that his vote is a private matter.

        http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/19/politi...llary-clinton/
        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
        Than a fool in the eyes of God


        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
          Hillary Clinton is right-wing.
          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
          Than a fool in the eyes of God


          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
            Bush's official spokesman said that the former president has not endorsed either candidate and that his vote is a private matter.

            http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/19/politi...llary-clinton/
            . . . well ah, apparently Bush has revealed his choice of the private matter as to who he will vote for.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
              I get that your stupidity is beyond correction. But politicalcompass plot her pretty far to the right, and where they put people on the whole seems to be fairly sensible. Plus they have an amusing new stylized chart:

              Political compass.gif
              (if anyone finds some of the names hard to read like I did, there is a version you can zoom in on here)
              Last edited by Starlight; 09-21-2016, 06:04 AM.
              "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
              "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
              "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
                But politicalcompass plot her pretty far to the right...
                And since when is politicalcompass the final authority on world politics?

                Even the website itself admits that theirs is a "[unique] ... take on politics" and that, in their opinion, "Left and Right ... are essentially a measure of economics" -- and even then, I'm not sure how they figure that a capitalist like Trump is economically to the left of a socialist like Hillary. It's obviously a left-leaning site, so it's no wonder it appeals to a low-information moron like you. There's a lot more to politics than the economy.
                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
                  . . . well ah, apparently Bush has revealed his choice of the private matter as to who he will vote for.
                  But not officially. It's just hearsay.
                  Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                  But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                  Than a fool in the eyes of God


                  From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
                    . . . well ah, apparently Bush has revealed his choice of the private matter as to who he will vote for.
                    Nope, a third party is saying that they heard him say it in a private conversation. He has not publically revealed who he intends to vote for
                    Be watchful, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong.
                    1 Corinthians 16:13

                    "...he [Doherty] is no historian and he is not even conversant with the historical discussions of the very matters he wants to pontificate on."
                    -Ben Witherington III

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                      "Left and Right ... are essentially a measure of economics"
                      Yes, they are. Whereas Liberal vs Conservative are measures of social policy. They do often correlate, but not always (e.g. communists and libertarians).

                      I'm not sure how they figure that a capitalist like Trump is economically to the left of a socialist like Hillary.
                      Hillary's not a socialist. I'm a socialist. Hillary and I disagree on nearly everything.

                      Trump's moved a bit to the left in the general and Hillary's moved a bit to the right, so they've now crossed over (in the primaries, political compass had Hillary to the left of Trump, I think rightly so).

                      low-information moron
                      There's probably not a phrase in the English language that describes me less accurately than that one.

                      There's a lot more to politics than the economy.
                      Yes, social policy too, that is why political compass uses 2 dimensions rather than merely one dimension for their charts. Do you not understand that?
                      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                      • #12
                        It's obvious what's going on here. In the PR world it's called a 'nondenial denial'. Privately he is telling people he is voting for Clinton, but he doesn't want to publicly endorse her against his party's nominee, nor does he want to lie and say he isn't voting for Clinton.
                        אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Raphael View Post
                          Nope, a third party is saying that they heard him say it in a private conversation. He has not publically revealed who he intends to vote for
                          Not only does trying to make that distinction strike me as needlessly pedantic, you are also wrong in claiming shunyadragon was wrong - because he didn't claim Bush had publicly revealed his choice, only that Bush had revealed his choice. Bush revealed his choice in a private conversation. Someone reported that conversation to the media. Bush has essentially admitted their report of the conversation was accurate as when the media asked him to comment on the claims he didn't deny the claims or say the person was misrepresenting his conversation, and he merely said that who he is voting for is his private choice.
                          "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                          "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                          "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by robrecht View Post
                            It's obvious what's going on here. In the PR world it's called a 'nondenial denial'. Privately he is telling people he is voting for Clinton, but he doesn't want to publicly endorse her against his party's nominee, nor does he want to lie and say he isn't voting for Clinton.
                            Bingo.
                            "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                            "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                            "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                              But not officially. It's just hearsay.
                              . . . a little more than that. I hear no denial of this from Bush.

                              from the source:

                              "The comments came during a receiving line for board members of the bipartisan Points of Light Foundation when Bush was speaking to Kathleen Hartington Kennedy Townsend, Robert F. Kennedy's daughter and the former Maryland lieutenant governor. There were roughly 40 people in the room, and it's not clear how many people heard him, though multiple sources did."

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