McCarthy/Trump Phone Call

[Ronson]

The purpose was to disrupt the electoral vote count. They succeeded for a few hours.

They pre-planned and coordinated for that? Oh my. It's an insurrection!!!!

[Cow Poke]

They pre-planned and coordinated for that? Oh my. It's an insurrection!!!!

And it looks like the narrative about the Capitol Police Officer who was hit in the head with a fire extinguisher and died.... um.... that may be revised after the fact.

[Ronson]

Are you surprised that the Trump controlled Intel did not sufficiently prepare for this? There was clear warning in advance. And then ignored pleas from Congress and Capitol police for backup.

Trump controlled? You've got to be kidding!

First of all, US Intelligence agencies have never been enamored with Trump. They are probably the swampiest of agencies in the government. If anything, they've gone out of their way many times to be burdensome; leaking, making up bogus charges, investigating him with knowingly faulty information, and refusing to investigate his adversaries. These are the dedicated Comey/Brennan/Strozk operatives who would like nothing more than to see Trump hanging from a telephone pole.

These RW militia groups have been "training" for this new civil war, but they are nowhere close to being an effective fighting force, so it is not surprising that they failed to overthrow the election.

I see. So "militia groups" showed up without their guns and tried to overthrow an election. That makes zero sense.

However, as pointed out above, they did delay the proceedings, scared a lot of people, did a lot of damage and left 5 people dead.

Exactly what I would expect from a disorganized mob.

One result of this rampage was the need to ramp up security at the inauguration. Security that was necessary to protect the government from murderous RW zealots. I understand that this extra security cost the taxpayers a lot.

I already noted that this event exposed some security holes. So in a sense, it probably did some good.

[Cow Poke]

They pre-planned and coordinated for that? Oh my. It's an insurrection!!!!

If the hundreds of thousands of people there had wanted an insurrection, we'd all be speaking 'Bubba'.

[Ronson]

If the hundreds of thousands of people there had wanted an insurrection, we'd all be speaking 'Bubba'.

What we're supposed to believe is that various groups from across the country "coordinated" a "pre-planned" "insurrection" at the capitol, and nobody was prepared for it because Trump "controlled" the critical government agencies.

And the result was: Bubba put his feet on Queen Pelosi's desk. Even Hollywood wouldn't touch a script like that.

[Cow Poke]

What we're supposed to believe is that various groups from across the country "coordinated" a "pre-planned" "insurrection" at the capitol, and nobody was prepared for it because Trump "controlled" the critical government agencies.

And the result was: Bubba put his feet on Queen Pelosi's desk. Even Hollywood wouldn't touch a script like that.

And it continues to unravel.

[Watermelon]

They pre-planned and coordinated for that? Oh my. It's an insurrection!!!!

It doesn’t make it acceptable just because they were really bad at what they were trying to do.

At least now we know that if a second civil war happens the republicans won’t stand a chance.

[Sparko]

It doesn’t make it acceptable just because they were really bad at what they were trying to do.

At least now we know that if a second civil war happens the republicans won’t stand a chance.

No, it is proof that they were not planning a insurrection. I didn't hear anything about anyone bringing guns, did you? The party that "glorifies guns" as the democrats claim, tried to take over a country without them? Pull the other one.

[whag]

No, it is proof that they were not planning a insurrection. I didn't hear anything about anyone bringing guns, did you? The party that "glorifies guns" as the democrats claim, tried to take over a country without them? Pull the other one.

It also proves the party knows guns are useless as a means to fight tyranny and are just a pose when referenced to ensure a free state. There's nothing more tyrannical than a stolen election, and no better opportunity to fight against that tyranny than now. Instead they brought zipties and housewives with bullhorns.

[Ronson]

It also proves the party knows guns are useless as a means to fight tyranny and are just a pose when referenced to ensure a free state. There's nothing more tyrannical than a stolen election, and no better opportunity to fight against that tyranny than now. Instead they brought zipties and housewives with bullhorns.

So they were alternately seasoned tacticians and complete morons. That's what a person would have to believe to buy this insurrection baloney.

You'd think none of you ever heard of Occam's razor, since you are coming up with such convoluted nonsense.

[kccd]

Trump controlled? You've got to be kidding!

First of all, US Intelligence agencies have never been enamored with Trump. They are probably the swampiest of agencies in the government. If anything, they've gone out of their way many times to be burdensome; leaking, making up bogus charges, investigating him with knowingly faulty information, and refusing to investigate his adversaries. These are the dedicated Comey/Brennan/Strozk operatives who would like nothing more than to see Trump hanging from a telephone pole.



I see. So "militia groups" showed up without their guns and tried to overthrow an election. That makes zero sense.



Exactly what I would expect from a disorganized mob.



I already noted that this event exposed some security holes. So in a sense, it probably did some good.

Trump got rid of the Comey/Brennan/Strozk people and installed loyalists throughout govt including intel.

Yes, militia groups showed up prepared to overthrow an election. They were certainly not as organized as they thought they were, but somehow the Capitol was left largely unprotected that day despite months of intel predicting a serious incident.

Yes, there were security holes on Jan 6, but oddly, last year there were militarized agents in force against a BLM protest, and also to clear out peaceful protestors in Lafayette Park so Trump could walk across it to hold up a bible in front of a church. Odd that the only actual security hole was in place on the one day when Trump wanted to invalidate an election. And not only was the hole in place at the beginning of the onslaught, but the powers that be refused to respond to pleas from the Capitol to send in reinforcements to shut it down.

[Ronson]

Trump got rid of the Comey/Brennan/Strozk people and installed loyalists throughout govt including intel.

Throughout government? Not even slightly close. The swamp creatures kept their heads down and kept their jobs. And even his appointments (ala Christopher Wray) turned swampy rather quickly.

Yes, militia groups showed up prepared to overthrow an election. They were certainly not as organized as they thought they were, but somehow the Capitol was left largely unprotected that day despite months of intel predicting a serious incident.

How do you know if any of them were from militia groups?

Yes, there were security holes on Jan 6, but oddly, last year there were militarized agents in force against a BLM protest, and also to clear out peaceful protestors in Lafayette Park so Trump could walk across it to hold up a bible in front of a church.

Oh, the church that "peaceful protesters" burned down? Yeah, I recall. Bill Barr said he ordered that without Trump's blessing. No AG would allow any president to walk into a mob. What would you expect?

Odd that the only actual security hole was in place on the one day when Trump wanted to invalidate an election. And not only was the hole in place at the beginning of the onslaught, but the powers that be refused to respond to pleas from the Capitol to send in reinforcements to shut it down.

You are seeing conspiracies where none exist.

[whag]

So they were alternately seasoned tacticians and complete morons. That's what a person would have to believe to buy this insurrection baloney.

You'd think none of you ever heard of Occam's razor, since you are coming up with such convoluted nonsense.

No, just complete morons.

[oxmixmudd]

If the hundreds of thousands of people there had wanted an insurrection, we'd all be speaking 'Bubba'.

What the people that invaded the capitol wanted was to - with violent force - stop the electoral college vote and through that make it possible to keep Trump in power. That is - by definition - an insurrection.

https://www.google.com/search?q=insu...-8&safe=active

-- a violent uprising against an authority or government.

Some of them also wanted to capture and - as they stated - kill Pence and Pelosi. Some came prepared to do just that - with flexi-cuffs and weapons. And it is very likely if this mob had been able to get to them they would have been harmed, if not killed.

That some of you can find it in yourselves to try to cover over or play down the seriousness of what happened, or Trumps culpability - especially as demonstrated by his response to McCarthy as outlined in the OP - shows just how deep the Trump Cult deceptions and disinformation has penetrated into the conservative mindset.

[Sparko]

It also proves the party knows guns are useless as a means to fight tyranny and are just a pose when referenced to ensure a free state. There's nothing more tyrannical than a stolen election, and no better opportunity to fight against that tyranny than now. Instead they brought zipties and housewives with bullhorns.

Derp. Right, guns are useless, but running around screaming and taking selfies works great right?

This was not an insurrection. This was a mob who was mad because they thought the election was fraudulent and they wanted their voices heard. They wanted the senate to fix the problem, not overthrow the government.