Every day the insanity only gets worse

[Terraceth]

The translation of any passage in the bible can be argued. I would say in general that Christians underestimate by orders of magnitude how much translation difficulties are an issue for almost everything in the bible, including core Christian doctrines, and thinking that just looking at a few of the common modern English translations is enough to circumvent this huge problem is foolish.

It seems odd to criticize me for "just looking at a few of the common modern English translations" (I looked at more, though I only listed two as examples), when you listed zero translations--not even your own preferred rendering of the passage. If someone is going to argue that Numbers 5:27 is most definitely a commandment for abortion, then they need to offer an actual argument as to why it should be rendered thus, given the entire claim relies on that being the proper translation into English.

[oxmixmudd]

The term is yeled which refers to offspring or something that is born, and since it is referring to a pregnant woman, the meaning is clear. It is absurd to reason, as you do, that the ancients could recognize that a woman was pregnant and yet be unable to figure out that causing her to go into early labor could result in the death of the child she was carrying. Like many atheists, you refuse to credit our ancestors with a reasonable level of intelligence.

What you are doing here is refusing to acknowledge what is known about the actual perceptions of the Jewish culture and instead are substituting 'what makes sense to me' in its place.

The ancient world di not understand gestation as we do. And the textvreflects their understanding, not ours. You are also discounting as insignificantvthe translations from the hebrewvinto bot Greek and Latin done by Jewish people at a time when Hebrew was a living language and had been so from the time of the writing of the text. This is simplevfoolishness on your part, but not a reality you will acknowledge.

And yet I have seen you on multiple occasions using pro-abortion arguments.

No, you haven't. I have never argued FOR abortion as birth control or convenience ever on this planet during my lifetime, let alone on this site. You are GREATLY mistaken!

[Electric Skeptic]

Every time I think this sort of idiocy can't go any further into the Outer Limits of the Twilight Zone someone comes along and proves me wrong. Anyone care to wager that many of those who are supporters of this sort of drivel are listeners of music that tends to glorify the sort of behavior they claim to abhor?

I'd think that they were just trolling but inevitably you start seeing their twaddle being enacted upon just like we see with a school prohibiting the Odyssey. day6dl8-797d9a47-a05d-4f19-8a1d-32d647c58d80.gif

Source: Even Homer Gets Mobbed

A Massachusetts school has banned ‘The Odyssey.’

A sustained effort is under way to deny children access to literature. Under the slogan #DisruptTexts, critical-theory ideologues, schoolteachers and Twitter agitators are purging and propagandizing against classic texts—everything from Homer to F. Scott Fitzgerald to Dr. Seuss.

Their ethos holds that children shouldn’t have to read stories written in anything other than the present-day vernacular—especially those “in which racism, sexism, ableism, anti-Semitism, and other forms of hate are the norm,” as young-adult novelist Padma Venkatraman writes in School Library Journal. No author is valuable enough to spare, Ms. Venkatraman instructs: “Absolving Shakespeare of responsibility by mentioning that he lived at a time when hate-ridden sentiments prevailed, risks sending a subliminal message that academic excellence outweighs hateful rhetoric.”

The subtle complexities of literature are being reduced to the crude clanking of “intersectional” power struggles. Thus Seattle English teacher Evin Shinn tweetednot teaching it. Students excused from reading foundational texts may imagine themselves lucky to get away with YA novels instead—that’s what the #DisruptTexts people want—but compared with their better-educated peers they will suffer a poverty of language and cultural reference. Worse, they won’t even know it.


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Each and every day I relate more and more to this:

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I oppose this more strongly than I can express.

I fully understand that curating the texts we provide to children, depending on their age and sophistication, is a necessary and good thing. I wouldn't suggest The Grapes of Wrath be given to 12 year olds - not because of its tale but because it's not an easy read.

But at any age, under any circumstances, not teaching (or in any way banning) books because they contain verbiage/events/expressions that we now (rightly) frown upon is, IMO, beyond stupid. They represent a great teaching point as to how we no longer support those views as well as being classic literature. To not teach great works like (for example) the Odyssey, Huckleberry Finn, Othello and others for whatever reason is denying children an introduction to literature that has helped shape the world.

Disclaimer: I am and have been all my life an avid reader of just about anything I could get my hands on, including many of the classics frequently mentioned in discussions of book-banning and book-burning. My POV may, therefore, be not impartial.

[rogue06]

I oppose this more strongly than I can express.

I fully understand that curating the texts we provide to children, depending on their age and sophistication, is a necessary and good thing. I wouldn't suggest The Grapes of Wrath be given to 12 year olds - not because of its tale but because it's not an easy read.

But at any age, under any circumstances, not teaching (or in any way banning) books because they contain verbiage/events/expressions that we now (rightly) frown upon is, IMO, beyond stupid. They represent a great teaching point as to how we no longer support those views as well as being classic literature. To not teach great works like (for example) the Odyssey, Huckleberry Finn, Othello and others for whatever reason is denying children an introduction to literature that has helped shape the world.

Disclaimer: I am and have been all my life an avid reader of just about anything I could get my hands on, including many of the classics frequently mentioned in discussions of book-banning and book-burning. My POV may, therefore, be not impartial.

We actually can agree on some things.

[*Looks over at the horizon*]


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Dang it. I knew it

[rogue06]

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[Starlight]

I guess Rogue that you're keen to have the kiddies read classical Roman novels like The Satyricon in class?

That's very open minded for a conservative. I would have thought you'd want to censor it.