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  • So much for "draining the swamp".

    Trump’s motivation had less to do with the quality of mercy than a boundless quantity of shamelessness. In his binary worldview people on death row must face implacable justice but those who pass his loyalty test have a ticket to freedom.

    Nicholas Slatten, Paul Slough, Evan Liberty and Dustin Heards worked as security guards for Blackwater, owned by Erik Prince, a prominent supporter of Trump and brother of his education secretary, Betsy DeVos. All were serving long prison terms for a 2007 massacre of 14 unarmed civilians in Baghdad.

    After their trial in 2014, Ronald Machen Jr, the US attorney for the District of Columbia, said: “These Blackwater contractors unleashed powerful sniper fire, machine guns, and grenade launchers on innocent men, women, and children. Today they were held accountable for that outrageous attack and its devastating consequences for so many Iraqi families.”

    The pardoning of the four led political opponents and legal commentators, even those who thought they had grown immune to Trump outrage, to reach for words like “disgusting” and “grotesque”. With just 29 days left in office his burn-it-all-down brazenness knows no bounds.

    He also pardoned Chris Collins, imprisoned for making false statements to the FBI and conspiracy to commit securities fraud, and Duncan Hunter, who admitted misusing campaign finance funds. Collins and Hunter were the first two congressmen to endorse Trump in the 2016 presidential election.

    Pardons for George Papadopoulos and Alex van der Zwaan, both convicted as a result of the special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation, were equally unsurprising. Trump continues to rage against the investigation as a deep state hoax even though it detailed dozens of contacts between his campaign and Moscow.

    Adam Schiff, the chair of the House intelligence committee, tweeted on Tuesday night: “Lie to cover up for the president? You get a pardon. Corrupt politician who endorsed Trump? You get a pardon. Murder innocent civilians? You get a pardon. Elect a corrupt man as president? You get a corrupt result.”

    So much for “drain the swamp” and “law and order”. Research by Jack Goldsmith, a law professor at Harvard University, found that 88% of the 45 pardons or commutations that Trump had granted before Tuesday helped someone personally associated with him or benefited him politically.

    Allan Lichtman, a history professor at American University in Washington, said earlier this month: “Nothing about Trump’s actions surprise me. He has no concern for the law, for humanity, for decency or for tradition.

    “If he thinks it’s to his advantage financially, politically, in terms of his family, he will issue whatever pardons he wants to, including perhaps for himself and likely for family members and other cronies
    .”


    [My emphasis] Lichtman's words encapsulate Trump perfectly. There is no shame no morality, just pure Id.

    The idea of "revenge addiction" postulated by Prof. Kimmel in an article for Politico makes for very interesting reading when examining the psyche of Trump. where he compares recent research on such behaviour with substance addiction. The craving for revenge against any perceived wrong or injustice activates the same regions of the brain and produce an increase in the production of dopamine in those regions of the brain associated with reward and habit. He notes that, this triggers cravings in anticipation of experiencing pleasure and relief through intoxication. Recent studies show that similarly, cues such as experiencing or being reminded of a perceived wrong or injustice — a grievance — activate these same reward and habit regions of the brain, triggering cravings in anticipation of experiencing pleasure and relief through retaliation. To be clear, the retaliation doesn’t need to be physically violent—an unkind word, or tweet, can also be very gratifying.

    The rest of his article notes that such behaviour is contagious.https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...diction-444570

    For Trump it is clear that if you show him loyalty you [or your employees] can, quite literally, get away with murder.
    "It ain't necessarily so
    The things that you're liable
    To read in the Bible
    It ain't necessarily so
    ."

    Sportin' Life
    Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

  • #2
    Details here too:

    https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcas...GR2F099Ujf-R0k

    A lot of misdirected love has gone in Trump’s direction.

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    • #3
      Such a fuss over a dozen or so deaths and a bit of jiggery pokery. Where's the Biblical perspective on this (this IS a theology site?)? I was reading Numbers 31 yesterday. There's revenge addiction for you. Several thousand American soldiers died in Iraq to save the Iraqis from the consequences of their own actions! 10 or so have died this year! A proportionate Biblical response would have been to nuke it! President Trump should have been awarded the Nobel Peace prize for his magnanimity, restraint and wisdom!
      With judges refusing to do the right thing, and General Michael Flynn a solitary voice from the military calling for insurrection, at least we have Blackwater! I have an idea to put to the President to use them as the core of a dedicated militia. I just need a jet to get me to Washington. Donations please.....

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      • #4
        Originally posted by John Hunt View Post
        Such a fuss over a dozen or so deaths and a bit of jiggery pokery. Where's the Biblical perspective on this (this IS a theology site?)? I was reading Numbers 31 yesterday. There's revenge addiction for you. Several thousand American soldiers died in Iraq to save the Iraqis from the consequences of their own actions! 10 or so have died this year! A proportionate Biblical response would have been to nuke it! President Trump should have been awarded the Nobel Peace prize for his magnanimity, restraint and wisdom!
        With judges refusing to do the right thing, and General Michael Flynn a solitary voice from the military calling for insurrection, at least we have Blackwater! I have an idea to put to the President to use them as the core of a dedicated militia. I just need a jet to get me to Washington. Donations please.....
        As far as International Law goes, the Bible has been superseded.
        We generally do not engage in religious discussion in ‘Civics’.

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        • #5
          I'll find the right place for that kind of comment...btw, if you were taking me literally, you're being very polite, thank you.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by John Hunt View Post
            Such a fuss over a dozen or so deaths and a bit of jiggery pokery. Where's the Biblical perspective on this (this IS a theology site?)? I was reading Numbers 31 yesterday. There's revenge addiction for you. Several thousand American soldiers died in Iraq to save the Iraqis from the consequences of their own actions! 10 or so have died this year! A proportionate Biblical response would have been to nuke it! President Trump should have been awarded the Nobel Peace prize for his magnanimity, restraint and wisdom!
            With judges refusing to do the right thing, and General Michael Flynn a solitary voice from the military calling for insurrection, at least we have Blackwater! I have an idea to put to the President to use them as the core of a dedicated militia. I just need a jet to get me to Washington. Donations please.....
            An amusingly satirical reply.
            "It ain't necessarily so
            The things that you're liable
            To read in the Bible
            It ain't necessarily so
            ."

            Sportin' Life
            Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

              An amusingly satirical reply.
              Satire? Me? Honestly, Hypatia, don't you realise what's at stake here? This entire forum is blasphemous! "International law" is the work of the Anti-Christ! Civics 101 is an oxymoron! Our only duty as citizens is to God. And God hates democracy, let alone international law, or any laws that he hasn't provided us with. Check out Numbers 31. It's about one of the world's first recorded attempts at participatory government. The people of Israel start to say that everyone should be listened to, that they are all equal in the eyes of God. What does God do? Smites them with the plague, for their presumption. "The only good Democrat is a dead democrat" - Donald Trump retweeted that, back in May, I think it was. He has God on his side. Nearly half the American voters believe that. Which is why the majority of Christians voted for him. And you don't want to engage with them here, because laws shaped by socialists and atheists have superseded God's laws....but I'm a reasonable man, it's your forum, so fair enough, I'll find another place to post my praises of Donald Trump and explain his role as the prelude to the Second Coming.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                Trump’s motivation had less to do with the quality of mercy than a boundless quantity of shamelessness. In his binary worldview people on death row must face implacable justice but those who pass his loyalty test have a ticket to freedom.

                Nicholas Slatten, Paul Slough, Evan Liberty and Dustin Heards worked as security guards for Blackwater, owned by Erik Prince, a prominent supporter of Trump and brother of his education secretary, Betsy DeVos. All were serving long prison terms for a 2007 massacre of 14 unarmed civilians in Baghdad.

                After their trial in 2014, Ronald Machen Jr, the US attorney for the District of Columbia, said: “These Blackwater contractors unleashed powerful sniper fire, machine guns, and grenade launchers on innocent men, women, and children. Today they were held accountable for that outrageous attack and its devastating consequences for so many Iraqi families.”

                The pardoning of the four led political opponents and legal commentators, even those who thought they had grown immune to Trump outrage, to reach for words like “disgusting” and “grotesque”. With just 29 days left in office his burn-it-all-down brazenness knows no bounds.

                He also pardoned Chris Collins, imprisoned for making false statements to the FBI and conspiracy to commit securities fraud, and Duncan Hunter, who admitted misusing campaign finance funds. Collins and Hunter were the first two congressmen to endorse Trump in the 2016 presidential election.

                Pardons for George Papadopoulos and Alex van der Zwaan, both convicted as a result of the special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation, were equally unsurprising. Trump continues to rage against the investigation as a deep state hoax even though it detailed dozens of contacts between his campaign and Moscow.

                Adam Schiff, the chair of the House intelligence committee, tweeted on Tuesday night: “Lie to cover up for the president? You get a pardon. Corrupt politician who endorsed Trump? You get a pardon. Murder innocent civilians? You get a pardon. Elect a corrupt man as president? You get a corrupt result.”

                So much for “drain the swamp” and “law and order”. Research by Jack Goldsmith, a law professor at Harvard University, found that 88% of the 45 pardons or commutations that Trump had granted before Tuesday helped someone personally associated with him or benefited him politically.

                Allan Lichtman, a history professor at American University in Washington, said earlier this month: “Nothing about Trump’s actions surprise me. He has no concern for the law, for humanity, for decency or for tradition.

                “If he thinks it’s to his advantage financially, politically, in terms of his family, he will issue whatever pardons he wants to, including perhaps for himself and likely for family members and other cronies
                .”


                [My emphasis] Lichtman's words encapsulate Trump perfectly. There is no shame no morality, just pure Id.

                The idea of "revenge addiction" postulated by Prof. Kimmel in an article for Politico makes for very interesting reading when examining the psyche of Trump. where he compares recent research on such behaviour with substance addiction. The craving for revenge against any perceived wrong or injustice activates the same regions of the brain and produce an increase in the production of dopamine in those regions of the brain associated with reward and habit. He notes that, this triggers cravings in anticipation of experiencing pleasure and relief through intoxication. Recent studies show that similarly, cues such as experiencing or being reminded of a perceived wrong or injustice — a grievance — activate these same reward and habit regions of the brain, triggering cravings in anticipation of experiencing pleasure and relief through retaliation. To be clear, the retaliation doesn’t need to be physically violent—an unkind word, or tweet, can also be very gratifying.

                The rest of his article notes that such behaviour is contagious.https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...diction-444570

                For Trump it is clear that if you show him loyalty you [or your employees] can, quite literally, get away with murder.
                Trump was never remotely interested in draining the swamp. He just wanted to squirm himself into its centre.
                America - too good to let the conservatives drag it back to 1950.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by John Hunt View Post
                  Such a fuss over a dozen or so deaths and a bit of jiggery pokery. Where's the Biblical perspective on this (this IS a theology site?)? I was reading Numbers 31 yesterday. There's revenge addiction for you. Several thousand American soldiers died in Iraq to save the Iraqis from the consequences of their own actions! 10 or so have died this year! A proportionate Biblical response would have been to nuke it! President Trump should have been awarded the Nobel Peace prize for his magnanimity, restraint and wisdom!
                  With judges refusing to do the right thing, and General Michael Flynn a solitary voice from the military calling for insurrection, at least we have Blackwater! I have an idea to put to the President to use them as the core of a dedicated militia. I just need a jet to get me to Washington. Donations please.....
                  "It ain't necessarily so
                  The things that you're liable
                  To read in the Bible
                  It ain't necessarily so
                  ."

                  Sportin' Life
                  Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by John Hunt View Post
                    I'll find the right place for that kind of comment...btw, if you were taking me literally, you're being very polite, thank you.
                    Scattered about this board are a few very right wing, Trump loving nutters, who cannot under any circumstances be reasoned with. In my experience, it is best to keep things simple and to the point, bearing in mind that the slightest unjustifiable remark will be pounced upon by the nutter contingent.

                    Despite all that and their abundant faults, we do manage to rub along reasonably well.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by firstfloor View Post

                      Scattered about this board are a few very right wing, Trump loving nutters, who cannot under any circumstances be reasoned with. In my experience, it is best to keep things simple and to the point, bearing in mind that the slightest unjustifiable remark will be pounced upon by the nutter contingent.

                      Despite all that and their abundant faults, we do manage to rub along reasonably well.
                      I was just going to say if you keep it simple, then the people with abundant faults and lots of nuttery, will embrace you because of your awesomeness. I thank you for allowing this post!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by John Hunt View Post

                        Satire? Me? Honestly, Hypatia, don't you realise what's at stake here? This entire forum is blasphemous!
                        wow

                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by John Hunt View Post

                          Satire? Me? Honestly, Hypatia, don't you realise what's at stake here? This entire forum is blasphemous! "International law" is the work of the Anti-Christ! Civics 101 is an oxymoron! Our only duty as citizens is to God. And God hates democracy, let alone international law, or any laws that he hasn't provided us with. Check out Numbers 31. It's about one of the world's first recorded attempts at participatory government. The people of Israel start to say that everyone should be listened to, that they are all equal in the eyes of God. What does God do? Smites them with the plague, for their presumption. "The only good Democrat is a dead democrat" - Donald Trump retweeted that, back in May, I think it was. He has God on his side. Nearly half the American voters believe that. Which is why the majority of Christians voted for him. And you don't want to engage with them here, because laws shaped by socialists and atheists have superseded God's laws....but I'm a reasonable man, it's your forum, so fair enough, I'll find another place to post my praises of Donald Trump and explain his role as the prelude to the Second Coming.
                          Cattivo! However, it is hardly my forum!
                          "It ain't necessarily so
                          The things that you're liable
                          To read in the Bible
                          It ain't necessarily so
                          ."

                          Sportin' Life
                          Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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