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Pedophilia - The Next Taboo To Fall?
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Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Homosexuality forced it's way into legitimacy as many homosexuals entered the various psychology fields, and then crowds of homosexuals intimidated enough of the members of the APA into 'accepting' it.
All that was in the newspapers back in the early 70s, but not a hint remains anywhere, I have been able to find, on the internet.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by seer View PostReally? I'm not saying that you are wrong but can you show me that from Scripture?Blog: Atheism and the City
If your whole worldview rests on a particular claim being true, you damn well better have evidence for it. You should have tons of evidence.
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostHomosexuality forced it's way into legitimacy as many homosexuals entered the various psychology fields, and then crowds of homosexuals intimidated enough of the members of the APA into 'accepting' it.
All that was in the newspapers back in the early 70s, but not a hint remains anywhere, I have been able to find, on the internet.Blog: Atheism and the City
If your whole worldview rests on a particular claim being true, you damn well better have evidence for it. You should have tons of evidence.
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Originally posted by The Thinker View PostThere is no age of consent in the Bible and Yahweh never says you must be over X age before you can have sex or marry. And older men marrying girls as young as 9 occurred back then. So if you feel that pedophilia is morally wrong, on what basis is it wrong on your view?
Originally posted by The Thinker View PostHow could you be against pedophilia? You get your morality from Yahweh and Yahweh is totally cool with 50 year old men marrying 14,13,12,11,10, or 9 year old girls.
Be careful there or you'll get bowled over by those goalposts you're moving.
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"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by The Thinker View PostThere is no age of consent in the Bible and Yahweh never says you must be over X age before you can have sex or marry. And older men marrying girls as young as 9 occurred back then.
Mishnah 5.1:
A girl of the age of three years and one day may be betrothed by intercourse; If the yabam had intercourse with her, he acquires her thereby;
A very common theory among the early Christians about why Jesus's father is absent from most of the gospels (and why Mary was an ever-virgin) was that when Mary and Joseph got engaged, Mary was extremely young and Joseph extremely old, so he died of old age.
Anyone familiar with ancient Jewish culture knows that very young brides were a thing."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Jaecp View PostThat's a big debate among researchers and treatment specialists. Does porn sate or exacerbate a pedophiles desires towards children. We want to know for more reasons than just that, incidentally. If its the former then we should be giving pedophiles as much porn as they friggin want. If it exacerbates? The opposite, of course.
On the whole I find the SJW's approach to this entire topic a bit befuddling. Penalties for things like underage sex have been repeatedly raised through the roof, to the point where it gets completely silly like where if a boyfriend is one month older than his girlfriend and he's above the age of consent but she's still below it, then he gets hit with massive penalties and life-long sex-offender status etc if they have sex. It's ridiculous.
Seer's OP is essentially predicting that a swing from religiously-motivated to atheistic-morality (and the consequent effect on national laws) will loosen pedophilia laws, but we've seen the exact opposite happen. They've gotten much harsher. And IMO, I don't see a good reason for them getting so much harsher. For starters, harsher penalties are well-known to be almost completely ineffectual in terms of increasing the disincentives, so it seems pointless."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostYeah, I'm befuzzled by the war on child porn, given that I would have thought that letting these people look at porn gives them an alternative outlet for their desires, and making existing child porn freely available saturates the market and thus strongly disincentives the making of new child porn.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostFrom the Mishnah:
Mishnah 5.1:
A girl of the age of three years and one day may be betrothed by intercourse; If the yabam had intercourse with her, he acquires her thereby;
A very common theory among the early Christians about why Jesus's father is absent from most of the gospels (and why Mary was an ever-virgin) was that when Mary and Joseph got engaged, Mary was extremely young and Joseph extremely old, so he died of old age.
Anyone familiar with ancient Jewish culture knows that very young brides were a thing.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostBecause the saturation of porn available virtually everywhere on the internet has bankrupted the porn industry with nothing new being made in the past decade or so"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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These are the exact same goofy arguments B&H got spanked on last year. You all drink from the same water cooler or something?
Here's how we dealt with them last time they came around,
Originally posted by AdriftIn case anyone is interested in a scholarly resource on this subject:
As far as I can tell in my research, most marrying ages in the ancient world started pretty much no earlier than about 14 for women (I can't find any source for 12 year old getting married), with men usually averaging a bit older (a 10 year gap wasn't uncommon). We see this in Assyria, Babylon, Greece, and Rome (with Roman males actually being a bit older). Eerdman's commentary, and a few other commentaries I've read indicate that average ages in the Ancient Israel were approx. mid to late teens. By the NT period, average ages in Israel may have increased to the early 20s, but there isn't any direct evidence for this in the Bible. The average age of death for a woman in the ancient near east was approx. 36, and men approx. 45.Originally posted by AbigailI haven't been involved in your other thread on this and haven't read it as it was quite long by the time I came along so perhaps I am missing something, however from what I can see these entries are just commentaries and a discussion about legalities of how to determine which girls could be considered to be eligible to eventually become brides. In particular it seems to me from reading here that they are discussing how one would go about establishing which gentile girls could be taken as never having had sexual relations with a man. In other words which girls were married and which not, for from what I read here it seems that if any girl had had sexual relations then she was considered married and not eligible, but that it was not a straightforward matter of just looking at peoples' ring-fingers. They are saying any gentile girl under three years and one day could be taken as not having had sexual relations but that after that age a girl's account was considered and an account of sexual relations would mean she was technically married and therefore not eligible. In other words this is giving us information about how the gentiles operated and how the Hebrews had to take that into consideration when interacting with them.
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Originally posted by seer View PostAnd seeing that you support the killing of children I'm sure you would have no problem with the raping of them either.Last edited by Starlight; 08-11-2016, 05:46 PM."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostThese are the exact same goofy arguments B&H got spanked on last year. You all drink from the same water cooler or something?
Here's how we dealt with them last time they came around,
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostI would be quite surprised if many of the cases where the husband is older than his wife is the result of the man re-marrying after losing his first wife to child birth. In ancient times men actually had longer life spans due to the large number of women who died in child birth.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostThat's way beyond the pail, and incredibly offensive. Apologize right now.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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