Pedophilia - The Next Taboo To Fall?

[seer]

Does giving a person the object of their addiction, cure their addiction?

Game, set and match!

[Spartacus]

Game, set and match!

Nicotine gum and patches are fairly commonly used by people trying to kick a smoking habit. I don't know if they're actually effective, though.

[rogue06]

IIRC a few years back the courts ruled that CGI images of young children engaged in sexual acts wasn't really kiddie porn. But I've noticed that doesn't seem to have satisfied those who want to look at such images. If it did that is what they would look at and not risk arrest rather than still wanting pictures of the real thing.

[Terraceth]

Than you didn't read very carefully because studies were presented that showed that giving a person porn, does not cure their addiction and the fact that there has not been any evidence presented, thus far, that proves the case. I'd have to say that is pretty damning. Let's start here:

Does giving a person the object of their addiction, cure their addiction?

Well, how effective are nicotine patches?

Still, that wasn't the question, though; the question was, does giving someone a lesser object of their addiction (porn) in order to prevent them taking a larger object of their addiction (outright child molestation) work?

[rogue06]

Well, how effective are nicotine patches?

Still, that wasn't the question, though; the question was, does giving someone a lesser object of their addiction (porn) in order to prevent them taking a larger object of their addiction (outright child molestation) work?

Have any of the advocates of this cited one study in support of it working?

[Terraceth]

Have any of the advocates of this cited one study in support of it working?

Has anyone cited one study against it working? I think that NorrinRadd's criticism was that no one was citing studies in regards to it working or not working and instead just relying on hyperbole.

[Jaecp]

Has anyone cited one study against it working? I think that NorrinRadd's criticism was that no one was citing studies in regards to it working or not working and instead just relying on hyperbole.

There's really not any direct research either way, which is why I wanted to discuss it as thought experiment

[lilpixieofterror]

Nicotine gum and patches are fairly commonly used by people trying to kick a smoking habit. I don't know if they're actually effective, though.

Nicotine gum and patches are mainly used to deal with the withdraw effects of quitting smoking and the physiological problems from quitting cold turkey. Even than, the goal is not to need the gum and patches either. Comparing something that has a major physiological component to something that doesn't, makes little sense. Physiological addictions are a different beast than psychological addictions and are not going to be treated the same.

[lilpixieofterror]

Well, how effective are nicotine patches?

Still, that wasn't the question, though; the question was, does giving someone a lesser object of their addiction (porn) in order to prevent them taking a larger object of their addiction (outright child molestation) work?

Smoking has a major physiological component too and the goal of the patches and gum is to minimize the withdraw effects and give your body time to overcome the physiological addiction to the point you'll no longer need the patches or gum either. Granted, all addictions have both components, but some more than others. Smoking, alcoholism or drug addiction have major physiological issues that have to be dealt with (mainly, the physical withdraw as the body starts to crave that chemical it lacks, so treatments often use smaller and smaller amounts of that said chemical, until the body no longer craves that chemical). As I recall though, pedophilia does not have that competent and is mainly psychological. Is their any evidence that a slow withdraw works, when it comes to the psychological competent of an addiction? Yes or no?

[lilpixieofterror]

Have any of the advocates of this cited one study in support of it working?

Even at that, comparing a physiological addiction to a psychological one is like comparing applies to oranges.

[seer]

Nicotine gum and patches are mainly used to deal with the withdraw effects of quitting smoking and the physiological problems from quitting cold turkey. Even than, the goal is not to need the gum and patches either. Comparing something that has a major physiological component to something that doesn't, makes little sense. Physiological addictions are a different beast than psychological addictions and are not going to be treated the same.

FYI - I have been using the gum for ten years and have no intention of quitting. It is better than smoking.

[Sparko]

Nicotine gum and patches are fairly commonly used by people trying to kick a smoking habit. I don't know if they're actually effective, though.

Nicotine and patches don't feed fantasies. and they are actually satisfying a craving. The craving of a pedophile is not to watch porn but to have sex with children. The porn doesn't satisfy that craving, it just drives it higher through fantasy. It would be like watching cigarette commercials to try to stop smoking. It would just make you want to smoke more. And if you think you should actually satisfy the pedophile with actual exposure to sex with children and taper them off, then that would be pretty sick, but that is what would be the equivalent to a "patch"

[Sparko]

There's really not any direct research either way, which is why I wanted to discuss it as thought experiment

really? You said there was a "big controversy" among researchers and professionals about this very thing. Now you say there isn't any. Which is it?

If there is not any research, why is that? Could it be because none is needed? That researchers and professionals already know that giving people images that feed their mental fantasies will not help to cure them but will increase their desires? There is no research because none is needed. There is no "big controversy" except in your mind.

[Mountain Man]

Nicotine gum and patches are fairly commonly used by people trying to kick a smoking habit. I don't know if they're actually effective, though.

Ironically, people who use nicotine gum and patches to stop smoking often become addicted to nicotine gum and patches.

[seer]

Ironically, people who use nicotine gum and patches to stop smoking often become addicted to nicotine gum and patches.

That's me!